you can actually make sunfire cape and gauntlet not do extra damage

Morgy Morgy·May 29, 2016·15 votes·1,147 views

fizz will still delete you as full tank why? because seastone trident and chum the waters his W does %hp damage. what other champ builds tank and does lots of damage because he does %hp damage? ekko. his passive and w. oh, base damages too. how about akali? sure, she doesnt instantly remove you from the game like she would if she was going full ap, but she can still delete you and survive. can we please do something about these fucking assassins?

16 Comments

Irelia BotMay 29, 20163 votes

Why not make his bonus % magic damage on his ult scale with AP. That seems to be part of the issue. If he lands his ult he goes in and gets a kill with a really high likely hood of success because it landed. If he misses he just walks away and goes back to what ever he was doing.

This is a rather binary derision making play style having him most likely to get a kill or not so dependent on landing his ult. While it should put things more in his favor it should not be as reliable as it currently is.

Perhaps change it to Magic damage is increased by 5% + 2.5% for every 100 AP. Yes this would be a nerf to early/mid game fizz and make tank fizz less effective all at the same time. A fizz player would have less certainty just going in at level 6 if this were to happen though.

AhristocatsMay 30, 20163 votes

ekko needs you to be under 30% hp

Morgy MorgyMay 30, 20161 votes

oh, i thought ekko's passive did %hp damage because it always chunked the fuck out of me. still, %hp damage is %hp damage.

ACENOXMay 30, 20161 votes

still, tank ekko won't be able to makes you being under 30%

ZephyrDrakeMay 29, 20162 votes

so pretty much nerf a bunch of champions because of a select few?

WoonStruckMay 30, 20161 votes

His point was that even if you nerf IBG and Sunfire, these champs building tank would still be a thing because they have damage without building high damage.

Look at all of the popular tank champs atm.

Fizz.

Ekko.

Mao.

Grag.

Poppy.

Before she got nerfed: Fiora. She didn't even use Sunfire+IBG.

%HP damage needs to be removed from the game. Nobody should scale because their enemy did.

WimbledofyMay 29, 20162 votes

Really complaining about tank akali? She isn't that great. Also fizz W is only missing hp so no a fizz without iceborn and sunfire won't do much damage. If we're gonna complain about fizz %hp might as well complain about garen's too. It's the high mobility+free mana dmg and cdr from iceborn+ sunfire damage that makes him strong.

WoonStruckMay 30, 20162 votes

Maokai W.

Poppy Q.

The issue isn't Sunfire+IBG.

Its %HP damage, which honestly shouldn't exist in the game at all outside of items.

This is all made more true because tank Akali isn't actually a problem. Unless she gets fed early, she's very easy to deal with. There's a reason her popularity fell a massive amount very quickly. She's the one case that's extremely situational.

GottedMay 29, 20161 votes

Yeah Fizz is definitely the worst about this. I've been one shot by a morellonomicon warmogs randuins s visage Fizz. Like wtf is that?

MunchCrunchLunchMay 29, 20161 votes

i've seen fizz with ibg sunfire 1v3. and win. am not even joking. deleted the adc and support and tank.

GottedMay 30, 20162 votes

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i've seen fizz with ibg sunfire 1v3. and win. am not even joking. deleted the adc and support and tank.

I buy it. I have no idea how Fizz was considered balanced on release. Been nerfed 10x still a monster.

LankPantsMay 30, 20161 votes

I have no idea how Fizz was considered balanced on release.

In early S2 there were a lot of factors which made assassins far weaker.

Mages and Bruisers were a lot stronger in the early game, if you tried to run Fizz into people like Karthus or Irelia in S2 they'd destroy him early despite generally being considered late game champs.

GA was far stronger, it had a shorter CD and gave more stats for less gold. Most ADCs and many mids picked up a GA far earlier than they do now.

Sona, Janna and Soraka were all far more powerful than they are today. This combined with the fact that for most of the season tank jungle and tanky bruiser top was the meta for most of the season made it hard for an assassin to do anything without being peeled instantly.

These factors lead to assassins being far weaker in S2 than they are now. TBH I miss when the game was like this.

GottedMay 30, 20161 votes

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In early S2 there were a lot of factors which made assassins far weaker.

Mages and Bruisers were a lot stronger in the early game, if you tried to run Fizz into people like Karthus or Irelia in S2 they'd destroy him early despite generally being considered late game champs.

GA was far stronger, it had a shorter CD and gave more stats for less gold. Most ADCs and many mids picked up a GA far earlier than they do now.

Sona, Janna and Soraka were all far more powerful than they are today. This combined with the fact that for most of the season tank jungle and tanky bruiser top was the meta for most of the season made it hard for an assassin to do anything without being peeled instantly.

These factors lead to assassins being far weaker in S2 than they are now. TBH I miss when the game was like this.

Good trip down memory lane, but I definitely remember fizz' getting 40 kills in my yoloQ games.

MiraweaveMay 29, 20161 votes

Fizz just needs to not be allowed to build items that don't give AP or Mpen.

Leopards GhostMay 30, 20161 votes

wait ekko does %hp damage? & fizz?

well now that explains alot.

LankPantsMay 30, 20161 votes

I don't think Akali's at all out of line right now, she's probably still a bellow average champion. Tank Akali is a pretty obvious consequence of her design though. Riot removed Akali's reliability as an assassin when they removed her ability to proc Q with E, she's just terrible as an assassin, her burst comes out way too slow. Then in an attempt to make her E useful (because it was utterly garbage) they significantly dropped the CD, which still doesn't help assassin Akali because she can't reliably hit multiple Es. Of course she's going to be built tankier with these changes, it's logical.