Ashe might need a buff, just hear me out.

King Odin·Dec 1, 2014·3 votes·888 views

Ashe is one of the slowest ADC's in the game along with MF, Jinx, Ezreal, Corki and Tristana, all of these champs having 325 Movement speed.

The problem here is that every champion on this list has a move speed steroid or escape/dash/jump. I think Ashe is weak due to her lack of escape. She has a 100 second CD for her ult and her slows are only useful for escaping if you're really good at kiting. I think for a 450 champion perhaps she needs a good buff in the right direction. Maybe the buff is as simple as increasing her move speed, I really don't know so if anyone has good suggestions please comment below. ( I am not calling Ashe weak at all, she has a wicked late game ^_^)

23 Comments

NhifuDec 1, 20145 votes

She doesn't need a movespeed steroid

she needs a higher scaling Q, the slow is stupidly weak until 3-4 points into it.

Champions out "walk" ashe lol

The 100 second cooldown ult is for a reason, mid game arrow's tend to win you a tower or two + dragon

Damage buff = no Stronger q = maybe E gold = maybe Passive = definitely needs tweaking based on crit % or excess crit Base health = maybe Ult duration in close range = maybe Base movespeed, mana regen, armor, attackspeed = maybe

Best supports for Ashe are

Nami Alistar maybe Sona

King OdinDec 1, 20141 votes

No she needs to MS steroid I agree. But definitely a passive and Q buff.

JefftiffyDec 1, 20144 votes

Trust me you aren't wrong in Ashe needing a buff the problem is her kit is either trash or broken depending on how you balance it.

Honestly the only thing she really needs right now:

Approx. 25-75 more AA range combined with cleaning up of her AA animations to make them more responsive and a little harder to cancel. Also drop her hawk shot to a much lower CD: 40/35/30/25/20. Right now Kalista seems like Ashe 2.0 to me. Ashe needs something to give her an edge and that is attack range that isn't tied with Vayne (she loses trades with Vayne because of her really old animations, vayne gets about double the shots to ashe early game because it takes her so damn long to fire each arrow).

I'm not even including her lackluster late game passive on a champ meant to be late game.

The ChinDec 1, 20142 votes

Ashe has a pretty huge AA range

King OdinDec 1, 20141 votes

Are you joking? http://grabilla.com/04c01-e2297f3f-e4f9-4b98-a230-78e2163a3def.png

She has one of the lowest ranges for an ADC the game. not to mention no gap closer besides her ultimate.

Ezreal and MF make up for their lack of range with their Q's which are basically AA enhancers.

The ChinDec 1, 20141 votes

Are YOU joking?

Look at that chart again.

Most of the ADC's with higher range than her only have it as a temporary buff. Like Twitch ult or the KogMaw steroid.

The only ADC's that truly outrange Ashe are

Caitlyn Jinx and late game Tristana

Most ADC's have 550 range or less - so yeah, Ashe has a pretty huge AA range.

JefftiffyDec 1, 20141 votes

Or does she really. How much range does she have when she has to stand there about .5-.75s to shoot a shot? That severely hurts her range. The windup is way too long.

King OdinDec 1, 20141 votes

You understand why I think so completely!

Leblancs BoobDec 1, 20144 votes

She's such a weird champion to balance. An ADC with a global stun and perma slow? You're not wrong she is pretty weak but can you imagine how insane she would be if she got buffed?

King OdinDec 1, 20141 votes

It just depends how they buff her. Like for example the way they buffed.....no one comes to mind actually lol. Lucian possibly would be applicable since he was over buffed then had to be nerfed for obvious OPness

AtheosisXDec 1, 20141 votes

She's not weak. She's just unforgiving due to a lack of mobility.

PheonixwishDec 1, 20143 votes

Yeah, playing Ashe just doesn't feel as smooth. Stutter stepping kind of feels awkward, and roaming is such a pain.

And that poll is totally not a trap.

King OdinDec 1, 20141 votes

The poll is just there so you can choose freely.

M4nTiCoR3Dec 1, 20143 votes

Ashe is the only ADC who has a passive that doesn't work if you farm. The thing your suppose to do as an ADC marksmen!!!! Honestly she needs to not have her passive lock up if she scores last hits. At least then she could actually take advantage of focus more than once during laning phase.

As for her kit...the Q scaling is really seriously needed. Her mobility woes are bad enough and her slow is hardly giving her equal footing most of the time.

[edit] Her base AA range is second only to Cait's as an ADC. All the other ADC on the list require ranks in abilities in order to maximize range.

King OdinDec 1, 20141 votes

You know what they should make her passive add 5 points on every kill she scores. So that way she can kill minions and just shoot the champ when it's maxed out. Similar to Caitlyn but she needs the killing blow.

SmokingPuffinDec 1, 20143 votes

Maybe Ashe does need a buff. Been a while since she's seen competitive play, although her solo queue numbers are pretty good.

This argument is unpersuasive. You can't just look at one part of a kit and say it's weak, therefore we must have buffs.

SukishooDec 1, 20142 votes

Eh, I wouldn't say that's a bad thing. Personally I feel all she needs is a rework since parts of her kit don't really go with one another (i.e the passive next to all of her frost based abilities)

King OdinDec 1, 20141 votes

Yeah I feel so too. There's nothing special about her any more and her passive to be honest is pretty useless as far as passives go for adc's.

TheI3igDaddyDec 1, 20142 votes

Ashe is another outdated, old champ that imho deserves a rework.

Her ult is so good that they need to water down the rest of her kit, and like many countless others have said, her passive is terrible.

My view might be a bit biased (dunno if that's the right word here) because I think that about 90% of the champs released before like 2011 should be reworked. The game has been power and mobility creeped to hell and they need to be brought up to speed, quite literally.

Kuroi86Dec 1, 20141 votes

Really I'd be happy if she just got a more interactive passive that would help her outside of giving her a free crit after backing.

M4nTiCoR3Dec 1, 20141 votes

So many game changing plays you can make with those ults. I stopped 2 solo dragons by enemy warwicks using my arrow from long range to freeze him so he couldn't get the killing blow. That is huge!

Her move speed and positionin so so god awful I almost feel MS quints are essential...almost...I'm getting better withough them but it sucks against better players.

M4nTiCoR3Dec 1, 20141 votes

I'd like to see her kit completely remade. Move her Q to her passive, make it a slow that stacks up to X times, say 3 to 5, that grows with her level. Then change her Q to a crit steriod of some sort to replace focus.