THORN NAIL NEEDS A 50% buff on damage

wishbone25··4 votes·520 views

what you guys think ?item 3075

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Rebonack2 votes

Thorn needs to be remade into a Diver item as part of the Tank Update.

item 1031 item 1029 item 1043 , grants IAS, 40 OnHit magic damage, and causes basic attacks to apply stacks of Rent to the target. Each stack of Rent causes, say, 5% of the physical damage they deal to be reflected back to them stacking up to 8 times. Melee basic attacks apply two stacks.

The problem with Thorn is that it has never been a Tank item. It's an item that actively discourages people from focusing you. That's an item suited for duelists and divers, not Tanks. It's also a completely passive item, doling out potentially tremendous damage for doing nothing. By adding some counter-play to the item (don't let them stack it on you) there are now ways to play around it.

Tank items should be about helping Tanks to do Tank things. Protecting allies in the case of Wardens and disrupting the enemy line in the case of Vanguards.

FireDrizzle1 votes

Thornmail is strong early imo, but falls off thanks to % armour pen, lifesteal and maybe base mr as well. So I think a simple buff would make it too strong early.

Ralanr1 votes

Imo it shouldn't exist.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

the problem with thornmail is, that its balanced around Malphite Rammus which means it has to be shit on everybody else.

if it was a halfway decent item, then malphite would be op in most scenarios with it. and rammus probably too.

any tank who invests a lot of gold into armor usually manages to get around 350 armor. lets say 400 for a few seconds with a bigass steroid like Leona w.

there have been games where i managed to literally rack up 800 armor on malphite with a thornmail in the build. the item is balanced around extreme cases.

if they want to make it balanced theyd need to make the passive scale with health imo, since the difference between extreme health tanks and regular tanks is largely smaller than between armor on malphite and other tanks.

Stephen The G1 votes

but those two tanks are shit right now

Meep Man1 votes

Rammus and Malphite are both in a balanced state right now. Not crap.

Jungle Rammus is a little sad right now though.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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but those two tanks are shit right now

it doesnt change the fact, that their kits are limiting the item for everybody else.

its like spellvamp was never allowed to be good bcause of vlad, morgana and swain.

wishbone251 votes

i used to build it on taric b4 they reworked him. now idk i build item 3075 even on leona does not make that much difference nowadays leona now is a beast on SR

Stars Shaper1 votes

Considered how it performs right now yeah... they should totally rename it like title.

Meep Man1 votes

Rammus thumbs up

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