Zed damage adjustment

shadowstepninja·Aug 3, 2015·6 votes·1,529 views

For me, I personally would like Zed's main source of damage to be in his E, and his Q to be more of a farming tool, instead of a hardcore bully. As a melee assassin, i think most of his damage should come from melee attacks and skills, and not from long ranged attacks. I understand he can E twice during his shadow moves, but most people should be able to get away from the second E. He already has an easy time farming under turret because of his passive, so I don't think it will hurt much if you make him a tiny bit weaker in lane. Besides, late game, the only way to stop him is zhonyas, and qss for the adc's, which reduce his q and his e damage, (but i believe his passive does magic damage).

tl;dr i think zed should take more risks poking as an assassin in lane by turning some of the power of q into his e.

22 Comments

ArsamesAug 3, 20151 votes

Typical clueless silver player, what you think is not important, never was, never will be, especially when it is in direct conflict with Riots vision of Zed. Riot removed E damage and put it on Q in the past and reworked Zeds ultimate, because they didn't want him to be a high damage melee Assassin. They want him to be a mix of melee and ranged.

Don't make suggestions or share your opinion about champions you have not played to a decent level or when you don't know the history and patches of that champion.

ImFromMexicoAug 3, 20157 votes

Why do you feel the need to put other people down? OP is just posting his opinion. Instead of being so condescending, you could also just state your opinion and leave it at that.

ArsamesAug 3, 20151 votes

Because I dislike idiots.

IcyPepperAug 3, 20153 votes

Having a personal opinion doesn't make one an idiot. Even OP presents it as an opinion, not an utter fact that must be implemented immediately or some "nerf Zed OP!" thread.

Putting down others because their opinions differ, however, is kind of jerkish.

ArsamesAug 3, 20151 votes

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Having a personal opinion doesn't make one an idiot.

Putting down others because their opinions differ, however, is kind of jerkish.

Having a personal opinion that is stupid and irrational makes one an idiot.

IcyPepperAug 3, 20154 votes

An opinion can be wrong without making a person an idiot. We're human, we're not infallible.

ArsamesAug 3, 20151 votes

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An opinion can be wrong without making a person an idiot. We're human, we're not infallible.

There is no right or wrong, go away with your inferior understanding of reality. My opnion isn't right, my opinion is rational and wise. His opinion isn't wrong, it is irattional and stupid. Use correct words to desribe reality, not nonsense made up by a certain "chosen" group of people to control other people.

LhostalisAug 4, 20151 votes

You realize that being as arrogant and asinine as you were in all of these posts is just showing your lack of social skills; To build off of that you're making fun of someone in silver, Mocking his "lack" of knowledge, and asserting "dominance" over someone based on video game prowess. It seems to be like we have someone chained to his computer that's insecure so he has to attack other people to feel good about himself. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you another common, toxic, flaming sub-human with no life!!!!

ArsamesAug 4, 20151 votes

Baseless accusations, ad homs and general nonsense.

LhostalisAug 4, 20151 votes

Baseless? Have you not read what is stated above? Please.

Critmaster GarenAug 3, 20152 votes

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Typical clueless silver player, what you think is not important, never was, never will be, especially when it is in direct conflict with Riots vision of Zed. Riot removed E damage and put it on Q in the past and reworked Zeds ultimate, because they didn't want him to be a high damage melee Assassin. They want him to be a mix of melee and ranged.

Don't make suggestions or share your opinion about champions you have not played to a decent level or when you don't know the history and patches of that champion.

but it obviously didnt work out.

too much damage on his q and he becomes too safe, because he can sit back and spam his q to farm minions.

ArsamesAug 3, 20152 votes

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but it obviously didnt work out.

too much damage on his q and he becomes too safe, because he can sit back and spam his q to farm minions.

It obviously did work, Q is easily avoidable, easily diminished damage and generally unreliable source of damage. Go and sit back and "spam" his Q to farm minions, won't win you the game.

Critmaster GarenAug 3, 20152 votes

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It obviously did work, Q is easily avoidable, easily diminished damage and generally unreliable source of damage. Go and sit back and "spam" his Q to farm minions, won't win you the game.

ive played him and its really easy to play passive with him. the minions apparantly didnt get the note that its "easily avoidable". thats pretty much the aspect of that thats mostly critisized about him. last hitting under a turret is incredibly easy due to his passive. and its difficult to pressure him when hes behind, since he can decently farm from a distance and has good escape.

ArsamesAug 3, 20151 votes

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ive played him and its really easy to paly passive with him. the minions apparantly didnt get the note that its "easily avoidable"

Nobody cares how easy it is to play passive, most champions with ranged abilities can play passive, does it win you the game? No it does not, now stfu. If it is so easy and strong, play Zed to diamond 1 - master+ then I will take what you say serious.

DiscusAug 3, 20151 votes

It'd be interesting to buff the %HP Damage on Zed's Passive a bit and make his autos not proc the passive on minions to make it a little harder to last hit under tower (as he already has it really easy since he is an AD champion)

It'd also be neat to make his E mark enemy champions and have his autos or Qs proc the mark to do bonus damage, and to compensate, his Q base damage would be lowered and his W range increases a bit to make it possible to land his WE to mark them before getting all-inned for "overextending" as his W range is really short at the moment.

TL;DR: His Passive %HP Damage is increased vs Champions and no longer does bonus damage vs minions because AD champions can farm easily. W range is increased to make it easier to land his E and have it mark the enemy and his Q, which base damage is reduced and is compensated by, procs the E mark and does bonus damage.

TL;DRTL;DR: Suicide Bomer Reversed E-Q Akali

magic poleAug 3, 20151 votes

not a terrible idea ( making his lane more risky ), but I feel E is too easy to land. Would make his ults OP

Mecha MaIphiteAug 3, 20151 votes

I think his passive needs 90% hp in true damage to compensate for his lack of mobility.

SouL1essAug 3, 20151 votes

I disagree.

Shadowslash is reliable: as long as you are in the AoE, you cannot dodge it at all. Meanwhile, shurikens if used at range is unreliable. The shuriken only travels so fast and it is more than likely it will be dodged at a 550+ range, especially given its telegraphed cast and mediocre cast time.

However, the closer he is to you, the harder it is to dodge shuriken. He already has incentive to start a trade in melee. Poking with shuriken isn't really all that strong, especially given the diminished damage on secondary targets.

Zed's shuriken poke was never about single-hit power: it's about whittling down opponents bit by bit. The important thing is that it hits. Changing the base damage by +/- 20 won't change this fact.

Changing more power into E will make Zed more oppressive against melee laners while not changing his play against ranged laners - making him more of a hardcore bully than he is now. He already isn't that strong against ranged laners.

SwapShadowsAug 3, 20151 votes

All zed has is his laning phase, if that gets crushed then what does he get compensated for???

having a horrible late game and sub par mid game is his compensation for good laning phase.

CrukAug 4, 20151 votes

Buffing his E and nerfing his Q would actually be a buff to the champion overall. E is much more reliable in terms of hitting enemy champions, not to mention you cant have his surikens hit zero damage lol, it will always be easy to farm with that ability, plus punishing certain champions for being farming friendly isnt really that big a deal... Csing is something most silvers can even do well, if you have a problem with zed being able to CS effectively you arent gonna like Annie Karthus Kayle Lux Morgana Nasus Sivir etc the list goes on forever. Wave clear champs exist, and wave clearing AD champions are really easy to farm on.

frostygibbletsAug 4, 20151 votes

you want zed to be worse in the laning phase? because hes such a great team fighter? what lol? people pick him for his laning phase hes a crap team fighter as it is. by late game all 5 if they were smart would either have zonyas or qss negating your ult. your bread and butter is lane and roam don't nurf him anymore... zed skin btw. anyone. zed skin.