THANK THE GODS OF EGYPT! RITO DIDNT RUIN SWAIN!

Arakadia·Jun 22, 2016·13 votes·1,549 views

The ult nerfs have been tuned down to 20 seconds. This shouldn't change his playstyle too much and will most likely not hurt him too much.

Thank you rito <3

41 Comments

MunchCrunchLunchJun 22, 20163 votes

if they make it 20 make it static. unlike before swain can get 40% cdr easily.

GaleWinUnleashedJun 22, 20162 votes

So at minimum Swain has 11 seconds of downtime between ult activations (assuming 45% CDR). That's plenty of time to kill him normally, and if he did build all that CDR he won't be as tanky as he could be.

https://i.imgur.com/1HvNiEO.png?noredirect

MunchCrunchLunchJun 22, 20161 votes

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So at minimum Swain has 11 seconds of downtime between ult activations (assuming 45% CDR). That's plenty of time to kill him normally, and if he did build all that CDR he won't be as tanky as he could be.

https://i.imgur.com/1HvNiEO.png?noredirect

no he can get cdr easily with his build. also. there should't be no window to kill him.

ArakadiaJun 22, 20161 votes

I'm sorry is 11 seconds not enough to kill an immobile Mage?

CppLJun 22, 20162 votes

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So at minimum Swain has 11 seconds of downtime between ult activations (assuming 45% CDR). That's plenty of time to kill him normally, and if he did build all that CDR he won't be as tanky as he could be.

https://i.imgur.com/1HvNiEO.png?noredirect

What? zhonyas +spirit visage (his core items) ,thats already 20%cdr.Boots of cdr plus scaling cdr (runes) boom max cdr.

ArakadiaJun 22, 20161 votes

Well sure if you do that you will have 40% which will give you 12 seconds. But then you do no damage because your only Ap item is zhonyas. and I'm not sure you can get 10% CDR from runes, and if you do you, you lose a lot of stats.

CppLJun 22, 20163 votes

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Well sure if you do that you will have 40% which will give you 12 seconds. But then you do no damage because your only Ap item is zhonyas. and I'm not sure you can get 10% CDR from runes, and if you do you, you lose a lot of stats.

Rod,spirit visage,zhonyas,deatch cap ,void staff (or any other ap item) and you running around with like 3k hp,100+ armor ,mr.Thts more than enough dmg for a champ who is so tanky and has insane sustain.

ArakadiaJun 22, 20161 votes

That build is insane for old, broke af swain. He should be much better and 11/12 seconds is enough time to react and take control. Not to mention health shred items, grievous wounds, and other counters.

jusho1Jun 22, 20161 votes

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What? zhonyas +spirit visage (his core items) ,thats already 20%cdr.Boots of cdr plus scaling cdr (runes) boom max cdr.

item 3065 is nice but situational not core

ArakadiaJun 22, 20161 votes

Yup! 11 seconds sounds fine to me, plus the fact a good amount of items like health counter items and Gw counter him.

SlntReaperJun 22, 20163 votes

And yet they ruined talon. Right before they nerfed QSS AND buffed Zed at the same time :/

ArakadiaJun 22, 20161 votes

I'm sorry for you :(

TesliumJun 23, 20161 votes

What? How does this affect Talon in any way? Zed is perma banned either way.

SasogwaJun 22, 20163 votes

Gods of egypt? Nasus Azir Renekton ?

ArakadiaJun 22, 20161 votes

Nope. I'm talking Iris, Horus, Osiris, Sobek, and Bastet.

SasogwaJun 22, 20161 votes

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Nope. I'm talking **Iris **

Illuminati confirmed

I think you probably meant Isis :^)

ArakadiaJun 22, 20161 votes

I just knew someone would say that. The truth is there are many, many, many different names and versions of the same story and god. I believe Iris is the Egyptian name opposed to the Greek or something like that, but I prefer Iris.

SasogwaJun 22, 20161 votes

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I just knew someone would say that. The truth is there are many, many, many different names and versions of the same story and god. I believe Iris is the Egyptian name opposed to the Greek or something like that, but I prefer Iris.

Well before I posted that I was curious so I google'd it but found nothing about Iris being another name of the goddess it just all redirected me to Isis so I assumed it was just an error you did while knowing the actual name. Idk, I just see Isis everytime I'm confronted to Egyptian culture so I think Iris is a minority appellation, Isis is the general designation.

Edit : oh right I searched better and Iris is indeed a greek goddess that has nothing to do with Isis

CppLJun 22, 20162 votes

Yea i think 20s is perfect.20/15/10

Lord GalvatronJun 22, 20162 votes

Instead they massacred Tahm Kench and make him sub-Aatrox tier instead. I swear it's like the balance team is playing roulette with the champions. "Instead of figuring out why Zed is still permabanned in all elos, lets pick...... this, this, and this champion and give them random changes". Did Riot just say after they created /remake, "welp, we greatly improved the game, how can we make the majority of the player base mad at us again". Riot your killing me here, please for the love of Urgot just buff the R range on Kench and call it a day.

CalabokJun 22, 20161 votes

30 would have been better

paShadoWnJun 22, 20161 votes

You thank them for not ruining something? They had not ruined it yet. Its only a matter of some time...

NarvuntienJun 22, 20161 votes

I am okay with this, we can play around it. There will be some changes to his playstyle but he waveclears much better since the rework that he doesn't need to use the ulti.

Akali is SO HOTJun 22, 20161 votes

They need to just return it to it's normal cooldown but make it cost much more mana so he has to actually be smart about how he uses his ult instead of turning it on for 5 minutes without having to worry about turning it off until he's pentakilled the enemy team 1v5

WheatloafJun 22, 20161 votes

Seems like a nice balance between actually being able to focus Swain when his ult is down, and him still being able to turn it off without removing himself from the rest of a skirmish.

ArakadiaJun 22, 20161 votes

It doesn't ruin his play style either! It's a win-win for long term Swain players and other players.

HyperZEROXLJun 22, 20161 votes

And then...They gut him... [slayer-jinx-unamused]

ArakadiaJun 22, 20161 votes

How? Wut?

HyperZEROXLJun 22, 20161 votes

It's a joke kind of. Don't worry mate, I highly doubt Rito would gut the life out of Swain.

ArakadiaJun 22, 20161 votes

lol thanks lol

Over InnsmouthJun 22, 20161 votes

Yo Arakadia, can I ask you something?

What part(s) of Swain do you want to stay, and what parts do you think should stay?

Personally, I'm fine with everything being scrapped as long as they keep the DoT theme, some kind of mana regain the way Carrion Renewal provides it, and Ravenous Flock.

ArakadiaJun 22, 20161 votes

The built in mana regen is cool and Swain has never been a super complex, modern champion. He's no Azir and he's no Yasuo. I don't think he needs some Fiora passive either. Ravenous Flock, imho, is key to keeping his idenity be it as an ultimate like now or passive like Gnar.

DoT is also part of his identity. His E is alright but has created problems before. His W feels like one of the healthier parts of his kit (maybe I'm wrong) because you can dodge it. And in his rework, some time down the line, I just hope he doesn't become trash or FOTM like recently.

Ravenous Flock currently is not much but a super sayian sun fire cape that costs mana and heals. If they were to not change his ult much, other parts of his kit would be changed to be more interesting with more counterplay.

I can imagine the Swain update would only need to be "Shen Level" but Riot probably wants a Sion or Poppy level rework. And if it turns out like Shen's rework, who I still love, that'll be pretty cool,

One more thing, Swain having 4 abilities or at least 4 low cooldown actions is part of his kit. That's part of the reason Swain players like Swain. Personally I would like him to stay a drain tank with decent sustain.

Much respect to you Tides of Blood,

Arakadia

Over InnsmouthJun 22, 20161 votes

I'm with you on basically all accounts. I adore Swain almost as much as I adore Vlad, so him being ok after his rework is of big importance to me.

Swain's basically a walking inferno with an inbuilt self-destruct. The inferno consumes all, but the self-destruct is lethal to himself. At one point Riot called Swain and Vlad juggermages, which is something I really, really want to stay.

As I was replying, I had an idea for the direction Swain's rework could go in. We could localize Swain's windows of power to when his ult is available to use. The way I'd go about this is lowering the power of Swain's basic abilities relative to how strong they are now, but allowing them to be stronger/provide additional effects if you use them while he's ulting. He'd be relegated to picking fights carefully around the cd and cost of his ulti, but he'd retain his "unstoppable juggermage" feel that he has now in abundance.

Thoughts?

ArakadiaJun 22, 20161 votes

Juggermage is actually a pretty good term.

One person had the idea a while ago of making Swain's spells have spellvamp while his ult is turned on, but his ult wouldn't heal in itself. His spells having extra effects or better effects while he is in his Raven Form. It creates a healthier game pattern and opens up some colder and deeper effects.

One thing that is important to think about for a Swain rework is whether he should have more mobility or CC. For example should Swain get a slow for X ability or should he have increased movement speed with his ultimate on.

Another point is that I do not think Swain should have two forms with two ability sets in the same sense Nidalee and Elise do. His Raven Form is his stronger form and most likely we want to retain that. We could give him a passive that lets him turn into the monstrous Raven, like Gnar's but with a different trigger.

I in general like the idea of Swain's abilities being in general stronger for Raven form than human. While a simple shape shift like Jayce or Nidalee could work, I somewhat think that's a little boring and wouldn't work with Swain. I think, while it could still work, it is better to not have each form be equally good for different situations.

Over InnsmouthJun 22, 20161 votes

Again, I agree with you. Swain is closer to Gnar in that his alt form augments his base abilities rather than changes them up completely like Jayce/Nida/Elise/etc...

I'd personally rather he stays slow and lumbering but has cc to ensare/catch you.

All in all, I guess all we can really do is see what Riot says leading up to his rework (if they do that) and then react to how they try to redo him. You have my word though, I'll be by your side all the way.

Side note: can you imagine how fucking awesome Swain will look with a full VGU spa treatment? I'm geeking out just thinking about it.

ArakadiaJun 22, 20161 votes

Sounds awesome! I agree, Swain does have a crimpled leg. It doesn't make sense for him to be dashing or sprinting around.