Deaths Dance balance?

Stevev45·10/29/2015, 3:19:16 PM·5 votes·12,629 views

http://i.imgur.com/hchHpZj.png Why would you play an AP champion when items like deaths dance will exist. Is the mages role going to shift to just wave clear?

Death's Dance +65 Attack Damage +10% Cooldown Reduction UNIQUE Passive: Dealing physical damage heals for 12% of the damage dealt. (33% effectiveness for multi-target effects.) UNIQUE Passive: 20% of damage taken is dealt as a Bleed effect over 5 seconds instead. Cost: 3400 (525)

this item is a ridiculously powerful. -damage -sustain -defense (basically 20% damage reduction) and

CDR tossed in there for the hell of it.

SOOO we are going to get high sustain, high damage champs that can't be bursted ...sounds like fun. Master Yi with this things is going to be silly.

31 Comments

Critmaster Garen10/29/2015, 3:37:03 PM5 votes

deaths dance isnt the biggest problem. all it does is slightly delay burst damage. while this is going to be anoying and allows a support to squeeze a heal or a shield in

im just sitting here laughing my ass off at 12% damage reduction on phantom dancers. not only is it absolutely retarded to slap that much tankyness onto an adc combined with all the new lifesteal options, but have fun with these guys getting significantly more tanky with the same offensive stats on that thing.

MasterYi Tryndamere Yasuo

im seriously gonna enjoy watching these retarded marksmen buffs blowing up in their faces.

Baseball3b10/29/2015, 3:46:30 PM5 votes

RIP mages my love, may we meet again

l Helios l10/29/2015, 4:30:44 PM3 votes

Well, allow this to encourage you. The PBE, of which I participate, exists for a reason. This isn't something that Riot is just like, "herp du derp, let's introduce this broken item, herpity herpy herp." Extensive testing is going to handle this.

As the meta stands now, assassins are very U.P. with the recent surge of high damage control mages. Sure, Leblanc shows up now and then, but this doesn't touch her in the slightest. That being said, assassins are unfavored because late game, they have no team fight presence outside of picking of people. Compare that to an Orianna or an Azir who can change the fight and hurt more than just 1 carry. Zed is unable to reliably assassinate people without his ult, unless the champion has bad positioning. To get there, he has to survive the cc, the damage, the exhaust, the peel, and if he can't find a reasonable opening and he is forced into a bad engage, he needs sustain to be able to reasonably survive and have a chance to kill his target. Same with any other ad assassin like Talon, Yi, Jax (if you build him that way), Kha'zix, Rengar, etc. Cc is the bane of assassins, and if you don't dodge the cc or sustain through it as best you can, you die. So at that point, it's either weaken the cc or give assassins a better way to survive. You see Riot's current answer.

Just remember, the PBE does exist, and it's just a trial period to see what happens. Be patient.

Also you still take the 20%. It is just a DOT like Malz e or Morde ult.

charcharmunro10/29/2015, 6:45:50 PM3 votes

Am I the only one who feels like this item was made for Olaf ? Basically will let him never QUITE die as he uses his absurd low-health lifesteal mixed with the damage stagnation.

Nahui10/29/2015, 3:22:24 PM2 votes

This item is a huge nerf to Zed in his ability to fight AD champs.

ProfDrDeath10/29/2015, 4:45:50 PM2 votes

CDR tossed in there for the hell of it.

I'd wager it builds out of the cheaper BF and the new AD/CdR component item. So, not really "for the hell of it". Or from Vampiric + Pickaxe + that new item.

BlackEyesBlue10/29/2015, 4:07:57 PM1 votes

Darius Fiora Irelia ...

Your worried about Marksmen? :P

Quick Siege11/13/2015, 3:23:02 PM1 votes

Riot has constructed the preseason in counterplay style. For Deaths dance I recommend an executioner. If you aren't intelligent enough to take advantage of the new items and the existing counters and play style compensation, you do not deserve to win. It's that simple. Stop acting all entitled. There has to be a winner and a loser, that is the course of this game. If all champions are alike and exactly equal, aka balanced with no thought process behind itemization, we may as well repeat season 5, with the exception of a select few. They have made alot of champions become viable by inserting these new items and it's become unique. I'm proud of riot for progressing towards a more advanced form of intellectual play. I am also disappointed with all the negativity. I believe the community should be more respectful and change their behavior, rather than riot to submit to the whims of the first cries they hear.

For any assassain running items such as this ^ reduce their healing add cc. Unfortunately sometimes it will require a team effort to take down a target with higher gold income, but that problem wasn't due to itemization, it was due to a lead, 99% of the time. Items are expensive, there is alot of time between the start of the game and when this item is achieved. If someone gets ahead and itemized properly, they don't deserve to be punished for another's misfortune.

Mordepool10/29/2015, 5:38:16 PM1 votes

Ad Morde core item.

Mages are going to have a Really shitty 5 months I think

Trebbi10/29/2015, 3:23:22 PM1 votes

Yeah, this is probably a gamebreaker item.

Assassins gonna abuse it like Talon and Zed. Melee Carries/swordsmen are gonna abuse them like Trynda, Fiora and Riven.

Heck just Think if it works on AD Malz and you get healed through Voidlings.

It is basically Spellvamp item for AD characters.

fééd l0rd10/29/2015, 11:00:15 PM1 votes

It sounds hella op on assassins.

Ace Access 10/30/2015, 12:58:54 PM1 votes

I'm gonna rush this as first item on Caitlyn

because i love to poke this abomination Kalista to death

Intocabille11/6/2015, 7:40:52 AM1 votes

I wonder how many Varuses and Jayces are going to build this, then again I guess it will work with the 33% for those mostly

Sasogwa10/29/2015, 4:12:52 PM1 votes

I would never build this item on Yi. CDR = meh, only some AD, lifesteal/physical spellvamp and a weird pseudo damage-reduction. There are far better items on Yi. This is an AD caster item.