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Questions About The Shyvana Buffs

SexualizeOatmeal·11/11/2016, 4:13:42 PM·2 votes·1,371 views
11/10 PBE Update

So, as some people know, Shyvana Shyvana is getting a "buff"... For me though, for the most party they kinda seem like a nerf, at least to me they do.

Base health "increased" to 595 from 594.6 Base health regen "increased" to 1.72 from 1.7188 (Truely the end of times with this increase)

Burnout (W) Dragon Form Effect changed: [NEW]: "Burnout grows in size" [OLD]: "Burnout scorches the earth, continuing to damage enemies that stand on it",

Flame Breath (E) AP ratio lowered to 30% from 60% Projectile now stops after hitting a champion. Dragon Form Effect changed: [NEW]: "Flame Breath explodes on impact or at target location, dealing 100 - 200 (+30% AP) bonus magic damage and scorching the earth for 4 second. Enemies on scorched earth take 60-120 (+20% AP) magic damage per second. [OLD]: "Flame Breath engulfs all units in a cone in front of her"

Dragon's Descent (R) - Now grants 150/250/350 Health Damage lowered to to 150/250/350 from 175/300/425 Shyvana now grows in size with R rank. R can no longer interrupted mid flight!- screen will say "can't be disabled"

Only good thing about these buffs, is the fact that your R cant be interrupted mid flight, and the health given from it, atleast on my first few glances.

So, my questions are as follows:

Will her E ability still grant percentage max health damage? Why was the scorched earth passive removed from her W to her E? Why does her E look and seem like it got nerfed? With the lower ratio, seeing as how people dont really play AP Shyvana, and how the cone effect in her dragon form made her a threat in teamfights How big is Shyvana getting with her R rank? Does it include human form? Is the bonus health passive (even human form gets it)? With her W, when will it be max size? Will her W continue to grow as Shyvana does with her R rank?

Im sure there are many more questions that I could ask, and while I know that its all on the PBE, and not final... With Shyvana being the first character I played on League, she has a special place in my heart, and I would hate to see her get changed for what I can see, being for the worse. But again, this is just my point of view, im sure that there are other's that really enjoy the look of the changes so far, I just think that they seem like a nerf.

Thank you for your time Have a wonderful day!

11 Comments

RogueWill11/11/2016, 4:18:29 PM1 votes

The ratio nerf was baron. baron gives extra AP and AD, shy had ratios on E and W so she was getting extra damage out of the baron. By nerfing this they remove the baron empowered play without affecting her much at all times (since she won'tbuild AP anyway)

Erockandroll11/11/2016, 4:32:09 PM1 votes

The uninterruptible in her Ult is probably bigger than you think. Personally, up until this point, I had no idea what Shyv was suppose to be. Her ult is her only engage tool, making it a little bit unreliable for being a diver. Then again what mobility it did offer, put her on the wrong side of being a juggernaut. Too little CC to be a Vanguard, (even though Rek'sai could pull it off) and her kit didn't really speak skirmisher either. (maybe a little when Sated was a thing.)

But with the Added reliability into her ult. It plants her more firmly in the diver role. While giving her the tools to tango once in the frey. The change to her scorched earth. Is more likely because her Trail doesn't really serve a useful function as a Diver. (she's not singed, and has no reason to pretend to be)

Zelorxon11/11/2016, 5:42:30 PM1 votes

@riot @wav3break

wav3break IF YOU'RE READING THIS GIVE ME A SHOUT, WE CAN DISCUSS THE SHYVANA CHANGES TOGETHER, I HAVE DISCORD TOO, IF YOU HEAR ME KNOCK ONCE!

Quick recap of my impressions here. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/3jvyZ8V5-im-a-little-let-down-by-the-shyvana-changes?comment=0002

Raiku Kawisa11/11/2016, 6:17:09 PM1 votes

Will her E ability still grant percentage max health damage? -Yes, in fact, anyone damaged by ANY part of the E ability (hit, explosion, burning ground) gets marked with the debuff.

Why was the scorched earth passive removed from her W to her E? -Make it more directed and controlled I would think.

Why does her E look and seem like it got nerfed? With the lower ratio, seeing as how people dont really play AP Shyvana, and how the cone effect in her dragon form made her a threat in teamfights -You assume that Shyvana builds AP, the Ratio nerf doesn't matter. In human form, the single hit is a nerf, but she only really wants to deal with one person at a time usually. In dragon form the zoning effect will make her even stronger in teamfights because she can control where an enemy wants to stand. If the enemy adc is dumb enough to stand on the burning ground and reapplying the E mark they are going to be hurt.

How big is Shyvana getting with her R rank? Does it include human form? Is the bonus health passive (even human form gets it)? -I do now know about size, but the health bonus only applies when she is in dragon form

With her W, when will it be max size? -Given Aurelion Sol's star... it will stop growing when the effect ends. I still need to see this one in action, can't really comment.

Will her W continue to grow as Shyvana does with her R rank? -Again, i need to do more testing.