The MYMU Low-scope Swain Changes

Blitzidious··2 votes·595 views

"Swain What we're happy with: Sturdy. Swain's one of the few mages that can live on the front lines and take a punch. What we're less happy with: Damage-over-time spells, while central to Swain's damage output feel very 'fire-and-forget'. Give Swain more meaningful decisions around his target selection rather than 'click on the nearest champion'. What we're hoping comes out of the update: Introduce more interesting decisions to Swain's pattern while keeping him familiar. If you like drain-tanking and DoT's, this won't change."

> What we're less happy with: Damage-over-time spells, while central to Swain's damage output feel very 'fire-and-forget'. Give Swain more meaningful decisions around his target selection rather than 'click on the nearest champion'.

Thank you Riot, for addressing his problems. But could you please clarify a bit more? What I gather from this is that you want to add more depth to his Q and E, but how exactly would you go about this? Or, well, not exactly, as things are always subject to change, but, what is your general idea of fixing this issue? His E, for the most part, is what you start any engagement with, as the damage amp is amazing, but, if you remove said damage amp, the spell becomes a basic single-target DoT. Additionally, removing the damage amp removes a great portion of his "hidden damage potential", which is what I personally love about him.

Also, I know it wasn't mentioned, but his non-reliance of cooldown reduction due to his long duration spells makes him feel extremely unique, and, since you clarify that "If you like drain-tanking and DoT's, this won't change" I'm making the assumption that most of his damage will remain long duration damage-over-time. But, my opinion shouldn't dissuade any choices you make, as I am more than likely a minority when it comes to these things.

I'm looking forward to seeing how you deal with Swain with the MYMU.

9 Comments

ChaddyFantome2 votes

Agreed! My boi Swain the Tactician Magician, West Side Noxus is about to get that delicious TLC he has been needing and deserving for a long time. YUMMY!! <3

This man has been one of my personal power picks and has been a great yasuo counter for me for a long time. Cant wait to see how they tune him This man about to be 12 steps ahead of yall! Swain The Early Bird GUTS the worm!

Blitzidious2 votes

Hell yeah! Swag-master Swain up in here! This update is bound to take him to great places, his destination is absolute!

Big Lincoln1 votes

rough guess since they're keeping his DoTs

they probably want to encourage him to sit on you to boost the damage instead of just dropping EQ and throwing autos pre-6 and pressing R after

idk

ChaddyFantome2 votes

Right now, Swain's issues is that outside of his W and R, the champ amounts to basically just clicking 2 buttons on people and kinda just going... ok.

I think they want to make that part of his kit both more interesting and engaging while giving it more counter play as well. His Q seems mostly fine since it is a tether so I think the "break the tether" part of it is likely to remain. His E is likely to see the more prominent adjustments.

Blitzidious1 votes

I do hope they manage to make his combat pattern less binary. It's the one thing that I have a problem with when it comes to him.

Blitzidious2 votes

I hypothesize that they will make his tether have some sort of "double-tether" effect, where if you are in range of said tethered enemy while THEY are tethered, they take increased damage from spells. Situational power, if you will. This way they can move the damage amp over to said "double-tether", and add some other neat thing(s) to his E, to avoid just making it a generic single-target DoT.

Or maybe, to make the tether come from his bird, which seems more reasonable, as he may be durable, but he is far from a tank. BUT, the tether to the enemy seems more thematic, as his bird is "Decrepifying" them, which, by definition from the urban dictionary(the only place I could actually find a definition), is to turn something decrepit. Decrepit means the thing you are describing is elderly, infirm, or worn out due to age or neglect. infirm means that it's weak, weakness means easy target(to psychos).

The Bearded Bard1 votes

I'm hoping they make him more like a master tactician like his lore says. I dunno about you guys, but I don't necessarily feel like I'm 12 steps ahead of my opponents by just slapping them with EQ then morphing into a giant monster bird.

Blitzidious2 votes

It sounds like they're going to try and put a little more depth into his abilities, and making his combat pattern less binary. E THEN Q! WOWEE! yeah, it's not the most engaging thing. But still, I love my Swag-master, and anything that would significantly change his thematics or style of play, would make me relatively dead inside, for a while at least.

An example of destroying him would be changing him into a burst mage! Hey Riot, please don't do that! :D

ChaddyFantome2 votes

One thing I like about swain tho is his willingness despite being friggin crippled to charge in on the front lines as he becomes a monster of feathery raven-y death. HE seamlessly changes from a back/mid line mage to a front like one and it feel awesome. Truly fitting of the leader of Noxus.

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