Something that's not considered.

Lyless·Mar 8, 2016·2 votes·1,229 views

People say it's easy carrying out of Bronze. I disagree. How can it be easy when those at the bot are there for a reason. They throws games on purpose, they can't way to troll and feed early and often. You can't win under that set up. You also can't win when people pick a role that doesn't suit that champ and then other team works together. I don't think the higher level players we understand how miserable it is being at this level. It's nearly impossible to string wining streaks together. You will get one good team and then the next is beyond horrible. I have went 23/5/7 and still got crushed because dumb plays by teammates. I can't describe how many times a team I am on has lost a game by simply not paying attention to the map. Simple things. Going for dragon too early or while the enemy team is still around. So many mistakes repeated over and over again.

And maybe that's why I fight against opinions here. Because they don't reflect the actual reality that happens in the game. In theory, those opinions are well and good. But it doesn't measure up to what happens in game.

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Live2LetDieMar 8, 20164 votes

You seem to think high elo players were just placed there, like they didnt have to fight through the ranks. I started in bronze and in one season reached plat. Last season i was placed in g5 and made it to p3 in 150 games. Started g3 this season and reached p3 in 100 games before going on my massive loss streak.

If you deserve to be out of bronze you will. IMO until plat you can easily solo carry any game.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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You seem to think high elo players were just placed there, like they didnt have to fight through the ranks. I started in bronze and in one season reached plat. Last season i was placed in g5 and made it to p3 in 150 games. Started g3 this season and reached p3 in 100 games before going on my massive loss streak.

If you deserve to be out of bronze you will. IMO until plat you can easily solo carry any game.

So, you basically repeat the same trash the others repeat. Very little of it's true. Most the higher elo players got there during the earlier seasons. So, saying I can get out if I deserve it when losses count against me more than wins. If I win 4 games I don't move up. For me to even reach a series right now, I have to win 6 straight no losses. Damn near impossible. And even if I lose twice I am back where I started. That's the way the numbers shake out. You guys don't get it at all.

Live2LetDieMar 8, 20162 votes

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So, you basically repeat the same trash the others repeat. Very little of it's true. Most the higher elo players got there during the earlier seasons. So, saying I can get out if I deserve it when losses count against me more than wins. If I win 4 games I don't move up. For me to even reach a series right now, I have to win 6 straight no losses. Damn near impossible. And even if I lose twice I am back where I started. That's the way the numbers shake out. You guys don't get it at all.

Those numbers are that way because you made them that way. I lose 17 and gain 21 lp right now, not because riot sucks but becuase i trashed my mmr from P3 where i was gaining 29 losing 12. Your mmr is extremely lower than the people in your league.

I could point out, from your recent games, why you are where you are but you will just ignore them and blame your team anyways.

ivnkoxhcucMar 8, 20161 votes

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Those numbers are that way because you made them that way. I lose 17 and gain 21 lp right now, not because riot sucks but becuase i trashed my mmr from P3 where i was gaining 29 losing 12. Your mmr is extremely lower than the people in your league.

I could point out, from your recent games, why you are where you are but you will just ignore them and blame your team anyways.

My MMR is fucked right now too. I've been on a winning streak mad hard, and I lose 1 out of 4 - 5 games. :( When will it get back to normal?

Live2LetDieMar 8, 20161 votes

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My MMR is fucked right now too. I've been on a winning streak mad hard, and I lose 1 out of 4 - 5 games. :( When will it get back to normal?

When you are at a massive W/L in your division. Anything around 50% means your gains and lose are going to be about the same unless you are on a massive loss streak like me.

ivnkoxhcucMar 8, 20161 votes

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When you are at a massive W/L in your division. Anything around 50% means your gains and lose are going to be about the same unless you are on a massive loss streak like me.

Ahh, lame. I'm at a 52% overall winrate right now #FeelsBadMan

Live2LetDieMar 8, 20161 votes

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Ahh, lame. I'm at a 52% overall winrate right now #FeelsBadMan

ya, my high gains was when i was at 65% winrate

ivnkoxhcucMar 8, 20161 votes

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ya, my high gains was when i was at 65% winrate

:/ Hopefully I get there soon. Going to play a lot of League this weekend due to a 4 day weekend.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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:/ Hopefully I get there soon. Going to play a lot of League this weekend due to a 4 day weekend.

and it would take me forever to get there.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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When you are at a massive W/L in your division. Anything around 50% means your gains and lose are going to be about the same unless you are on a massive loss streak like me.

that's not fair.

Live2LetDieMar 8, 20161 votes

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that's not fair.

how is that not fair? If you are at 50% you should gain and lose about the same.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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how is that not fair? If you are at 50% you should gain and lose about the same.

If I go on a win streak it should count, no matter the conditions. This system punishes 1 lost out 5. That's wrong.

Live2LetDieMar 8, 20161 votes

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If I go on a win streak it should count, no matter the conditions. This system punishes 1 lost out 5. That's wrong.

You are on a win streak because you are playing at even a lower elo. You lost enough to get placed against even worst than b5 players so you start winning against them but that doesnt mean you are at B5 elo.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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You are on a win streak because you are playing at even a lower elo. You lost enough to get placed against even worst than b5 players so you start winning against them but that doesnt mean you are at B5 elo.

whatever, I am just concerned with winning. That's my goal 100% of the time. That's it. That will solve the problem.

Live2LetDieMar 8, 20161 votes

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whatever, I am just concerned with winning. That's my goal 100% of the time. That's it. That will solve the problem.

Then play a champ that will solo carry a game. Cho will not. Grab kat, yi, xin, ekko, shiv, lb, tryn, fiora, etc.. grab a champ that can win lane and just dominate. If you dont win lane then you deserve to be in that elo.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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Then play a champ that will solo carry a game. Cho will not. Grab kat, yi, xin, ekko, shiv, lb, tryn, fiora, etc.. grab a champ that can win lane and just dominate. If you dont win lane then you deserve to be in that elo.

I am not good or interested in any of those champs. I have tired each one of them, they aren't for me. A friend in Plat said stick with Cho, an actually friend not someone who likes to talk down to people.

Live2LetDieMar 8, 20161 votes

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I am not good or interested in any of those champs. I have tired each one of them, they aren't for me. A friend in Plat said stick with Cho, an actually friend not someone who likes to talk down to people.

Your friend in plat is stuck in last season. These are the meta champs right now. These are the champs you play in this season

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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Your friend in plat is stuck in last season. These are the meta champs right now. These are the champs you play in this season

he told me to stick with who I am good with. He's in plat using different champs. You want me to use champs I am not good with or have no intrest in using.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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Then play a champ that will solo carry a game. Cho will not. Grab kat, yi, xin, ekko, shiv, lb, tryn, fiora, etc.. grab a champ that can win lane and just dominate. If you dont win lane then you deserve to be in that elo.

Let's go down your "BIAS" list. Kat is just not my type of champ. Yi just not appealing to me at all. Ekko is cheap. Shiv is too slow, Ib won't work, I don't go mid. Tyrn should be deleted from the game, Fiora is overrated.

Live2LetDieMar 8, 20161 votes

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Let's go down your "BIAS" list. Kat is just not my type of champ. Yi just not appealing to me at all. Ekko is cheap. Shiv is too slow, Ib won't work, I don't go mid. Tyrn should be deleted from the game, Fiora is overrated.

lets sum up your points to, "I rather lose than learn this season meta". Ok sounds good bud you are in the same spot as me. Except you are in bronze and I am in plat on last season meta champs.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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lets sum up your points to, "I rather lose than learn this season meta". Ok sounds good bud you are in the same spot as me. Except you are in bronze and I am in plat on last season meta champs.

My point is this, why dig myself a deeper hold using champs I have no experience with? That what you just suggested. How about you ask me what champs I have and then I can pick the best "meta" whatever that means. But no you would rather name pass judgement too.

Live2LetDieMar 8, 20161 votes

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My point is this, why dig myself a deeper hold using champs I have no experience with? That what you just suggested. How about you ask me what champs I have and then I can pick the best "meta" whatever that means. But no you would rather name pass judgement too.

You cant dig any deeper that is the point I am trying to get across to you. You can practice these meta champs if you wanted to because there is no hole lower than you. You dont have the mechanical skill to get out of bronze on any champ you want, like how I am plat using sej who is not meta what so ever but i have the skill to play her better than people in gold. You either take up the FOTM or actually work on your mechanics.

Sum up: again if you dont want to be in bronze get better mechanically and carry. All high elo players can do it.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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You cant dig any deeper that is the point I am trying to get across to you. You can practice these meta champs if you wanted to because there is no hole lower than you. You dont have the mechanical skill to get out of bronze on any champ you want, like how I am plat using sej who is not meta what so ever but i have the skill to play her better than people in gold. You either take up the FOTM or actually work on your mechanics.

Sum up: again if you dont want to be in bronze get better mechanically and carry. All high elo players can do it.

Dude I have already tried every champ in the game! Why would you assume I haven't? But that's what you guys do. I have my best shot with who I am good with right now. What you do think I was doing while I was gone for 3 months? What is FOTM?

And what kind of statement is "get better"? That's like saying "get rich" or "start flying". It's not a good statement at all. I don't if you can say all high elo players can do it.

Live2LetDieMar 8, 20161 votes

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Dude I have already tried every champ in the game! Why would you assume I haven't? But that's what you guys do. I have my best shot with who I am good with right now. What you do think I was doing while I was gone for 3 months? What is FOTM?

And what kind of statement is "get better"? That's like saying "get rich" or "start flying". It's not a good statement at all. I don't if you can say all high elo players can do it.

Sorry friend, the concept of the false vision of elo hell has you lost. Get better = practice more, FOTM= flavor of the month. No exscuse when players can make smurfs and get back to high elo as many times as you would like them.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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Those numbers are that way because you made them that way. I lose 17 and gain 21 lp right now, not because riot sucks but becuase i trashed my mmr from P3 where i was gaining 29 losing 12. Your mmr is extremely lower than the people in your league.

I could point out, from your recent games, why you are where you are but you will just ignore them and blame your team anyways.

This is not a indiuvual based game, it's more a team game. It always comes down to teaming up and pushing. And you keep ignoring that and blaming me.

Live2LetDieMar 8, 20161 votes

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This is not a indiuvual based game, it's more a team game. It always comes down to teaming up and pushing. And you keep ignoring that and blaming me.

This is not true at all. You can play specific champs, tryn, quin, fiora, etc.. that rely on not team fighting and just split pushing to win. You can play junglers who can dominate early game to the point where the other team basically quits. You can play any lane and just destroy your lane opponent and roam to win for your team.

There are many options to solo carry in this game if you know how. By that one comment it is obvious you are still learning and are in the correct division.

ivnkoxhcucMar 8, 20163 votes

Stop making excuses
ANYTHING works in Silver/Bronze elo. I've had to go Nami top (With exhaust) against a QUINN with ignite because our Illaoi wanted to lane swap and didn't want to lane against Quinn. She went support with Teleport (Because she asked to lane swap in game, when we were already buying items and such) And I stopped on Quinn, with ZERO ganks, while she herself had two (Unsucessful) ganks from Akali.
Play a carry champion (Fiora/Udyr/Blue Ezreal/Lucian/Graves/Zed/Akali/Yasuo)
Learn how to roam (Any lane could. I've roamed as a Soraka support and fed a malphite mid)
Learn how to CS (Should have 50 - 60 CS at 10 mins, and roughly 125 - 150 at 20 minutes.)
Know when to team fight
DON'T CHASE
This is League of Legends. Get objectives. Stop playing Call of Duty.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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Stop making excuses

ANYTHING works in Silver/Bronze elo. I've had to go Nami top (With exhaust) against a QUINN with ignite because our Illaoi wanted to lane swap and didn't want to lane against Quinn. She went support with Teleport (Because she asked to lane swap in game, when we were already buying items and such) And I stopped on Quinn, with ZERO ganks, while she herself had two (Unsucessful) ganks from Akali.

Play a carry champion (Fiora/Udyr/Blue Ezreal/Lucian/Graves/Zed/Akali/Yasuo)

Learn how to roam (Any lane could. I've roamed as a Soraka support and fed a malphite mid)

Learn how to CS (Should have 50 - 60 CS at 10 mins, and roughly 125 - 150 at 20 minutes.)

Know when to team fight

DON'T CHASE

This is League of Legends. Get objectives. Stop playing Call of Duty.

See now you are making assumptions. I don't ever CHASE! EVER! 1. How are numbers excuses? I sat down and did the math on this. Points 1 and 7 are gone.

Number 2 is a flat out lie. You can't pick any champ and carry in a low elo. I think you believe like most high elo players that everyone is dumb in B or S. 3. Number 3: , I don't play any of those champs well. Number 4. I do know how to roam, stop assuming I can't do certain things.

Number 5 is an insult. Number 6 is someone you should tell whoever I team with. I know what game this is.

You have mad 0 points. None of them apply to me. Next time don't be so arrogant. Ask me what do I seem to be struggling with? But no..... you just like everyone else make assumptions.

JorenciceMar 8, 20161 votes

Lol I know someone who has won a bronze game as 6 warmogs katarina and 6 infinity edge malphite.

I mean to be fair most bronze builds are absolutely atrocious and might as well be considered a off build.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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Lol I know someone who has won a bronze game as 6 warmogs katarina and 6 infinity edge malphite.

I mean to be fair most bronze builds are absolutely atrocious and might as well be considered a off build.

You know one person? That doesn't count for the majority, which you don't know.

ivnkoxhcucMar 8, 20162 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2111163898/217527769?tab=overview What is with Soraka smite? Where is your Sightstone? Why didn't you upgrade trinket?

You need vision, and you need to deny the enemy's vision.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/217527769 There's your overall.

Your build pattern/overall build is complete garbage. Why are you building mobilities on Warwick? Build MR/Armor Boots (Depending on enemy team comp) and then build alacrity if you need movement speed so bad.

Why is your cho so squishy? He's more bruiser than anything, and building tank items on him is actually a good idea. Build RoA, then your boots, then go tanky.

Your team';s warding overall sucks. Why do you have 4? If you're a JG, you need to buy pinks and sweep your JG so you can prevent counter ganks and keep an eye on your JG

If you're mid, use your wards. Use a pink on one side of river, and a yellow on the other.

You're not warding AT ALL, and it's easy to gank you.

As a JGler you want roughly 100+ CS at 20 mins, due to moving around a lot/ganking. (More if you don't gank a lot)

I'm still confused why you're building your champions the way they are.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2111163898/217527769?tab=overview What is with Soraka smite? Where is your Sightstone? Why didn't you upgrade trinket?

You need vision, and you need to deny the enemy's vision.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/217527769 There's your overall.

Your build pattern/overall build is complete garbage. Why are you building mobilities on Warwick? Build MR/Armor Boots (Depending on enemy team comp) and then build alacrity if you need movement speed so bad.

Why is your cho so squishy? He's more bruiser than anything, and building tank items on him is actually a good idea. Build RoA, then your boots, then go tanky.

Your team';s warding overall sucks. Why do you have 4? If you're a JG, you need to buy pinks and sweep your JG so you can prevent counter ganks and keep an eye on your JG

If you're mid, use your wards. Use a pink on one side of river, and a yellow on the other.

You're not warding AT ALL, and it's easy to gank you.

As a JGler you want roughly 100+ CS at 20 mins, due to moving around a lot/ganking. (More if you don't gank a lot)

I'm still confused why you're building your champions the way they are.

I don't use Soraka anymore. That's a non issue.

ivnkoxhcucMar 8, 20161 votes

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I don't use Soraka anymore. That's a non issue.

Okay then comment on my other points - Ohwai-, you can't. You'll make another esxcuse. Even though my information was correct.

You're talking to someone who was placed in Bronze 1 last season, and climbed to Plat 5. I'm currently Gold 4 and on a win streak. It's about realizing where you fucked up, and not making the mistake again.

But continue staying in Bronze with your mindset

Also, you should probably focus on the game you're currently in, instead of replying on the boards. Or are you just going to blame your team if you lose, when you were clearly just on the boards?

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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Okay then comment on my other points - Ohwai-, you can't. You'll make another esxcuse. Even though my information was correct.

You're talking to someone who was placed in Bronze 1 last season, and climbed to Plat 5. I'm currently Gold 4 and on a win streak. It's about realizing where you fucked up, and not making the mistake again.

But continue staying in Bronze with your mindset

Also, you should probably focus on the game you're currently in, instead of replying on the boards. Or are you just going to blame your team if you lose, when you were clearly just on the boards?

Mindset has nothing to do with. I have had a winning mindset before. I still lost. I have this mindset before. I still lost. It makes no difference it's about how you perform THE END!

erchlorateMar 8, 20162 votes

I'm pretty sure I have 2 v 5'ed in bronze before. You just need to stomp your lane and then roam and carry from there.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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I'm pretty sure I have 2 v 5'ed in bronze before. You just need to stomp your lane and then roam and carry from there.

yeah, they are just going to let me to do that.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

You guys mindset is just ignores all logic. The numbers are against me in every way. Just to get close to even I have to win 6 straight games! 6!

ivnkoxhcucMar 8, 20161 votes

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You guys mindset is just ignores all logic. The numbers are against me in every way. Just to get close to even I have to win 6 straight games! 6!

You have more deaths, on average, than the rest of the team. Also, you're CONTINUING to make excuses. I think you belong where you're at, seeming you have a fixed mindset, and not a growth mindset.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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You have more deaths, on average, than the rest of the team. Also, you're CONTINUING to make excuses. I think you belong where you're at, seeming you have a fixed mindset, and not a growth mindset.

Most teams that lose tend to average more deaths,. Should I just let them take the turrets when we are down 2 vs 5. I mean you tell me?

ivnkoxhcucMar 8, 20161 votes

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Most teams that lose tend to average more deaths,. Should I just let them take the turrets when we are down 2 vs 5. I mean you tell me?

You are literally a Bronze 5 team, playing another Bronze 5 team. Once again, you're refusing to listen to any advice/tips, and you continue to make excuses.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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You are literally a Bronze 5 team, playing another Bronze 5 team. Once again, you're refusing to listen to any advice/tips, and you continue to make excuses.

you aren't giving me any tips. I already know these things. It's not helping.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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You are literally a Bronze 5 team, playing another Bronze 5 team. Once again, you're refusing to listen to any advice/tips, and you continue to make excuses.

And you don't address direct points, you just use "talking points" no depth or substance to anything you say.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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You have more deaths, on average, than the rest of the team. Also, you're CONTINUING to make excuses. I think you belong where you're at, seeming you have a fixed mindset, and not a growth mindset.

when you don't address my issues, you aren't helping me. You are talking about issues I don't have.

JorenciceMar 8, 20161 votes

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People say it's easy carrying out of Bronze. I disagree. How can it be easy when those at the bot are there for a reason. They throws games on purpose, they can't way to troll and feed early and often. You can't win under that set up. You also can't win when people pick a role that doesn't suit that champ and then other team works together. I don't think the higher level players we understand how miserable it is being at this level. It's nearly impossible to string wining streaks together. You will get one good team and then the next is beyond horrible. I have went 23/5/7 and still got crushed because dumb plays by teammates. I can't describe how many times a team I am on has lost a game by simply not paying attention to the map. Simple things. Going for dragon too early or while the enemy team is still around. So many mistakes repeated over and over again.

And maybe that's why I fight against opinions here. Because they don't reflect the actual reality that happens in the game. In theory, those opinions are well and good. But it doesn't measure up to what happens in game.

Didn't you quit like a month ago?

We get it already. Everything is everyone else's fault and your a l33t challenger stuck in a bronzies body..

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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Didn't you quit like a month ago?

We get it already. Everything is everyone else's fault and your a l33t challenger stuck in a bronzies body..

playing normal is pointless and no challenge at all. Don't comment.

JorenciceMar 8, 20161 votes

That... has nothing to do with what I said...

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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That... has nothing to do with what I said...

don't care what you said.

JorenciceMar 8, 20161 votes

Lol... typical bronzie...

Oh well you keep having sub optimal runes and item builds and not listening to advice. And I'll keep climbing while you stay stuck.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

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Lol... typical bronzie...

Oh well you keep having sub optimal runes and item builds and not listening to advice. And I'll keep climbing while you stay stuck.

You didn't even mention my runes. What about them? Tell me where they are wrong? Or do you just like to name call? I can show you where I got them from. But no.................................... you would rather name call.

LylessMar 8, 20161 votes

they never answer direct questions. Who is going to listen to people who don't answer direct questions.