Lol Zac is ridiculous.

Wow, almost like long ranged ganks are his gimmick and you should ward deep when fighting him.

If deep wards miss him, warding his camps are also an option. That's how you ward against all the stealth junglers, too.

So basically what you're saying is that you don't know how to adapt your warding for different champions?

"Support, pls buy Sightstone" "But they have Evelynn jungle" "Huh, you got a point."

hes already known in high elo to be overtuned lol.

insane damage and sustain

"From narnia..." That made me chuckle.

That's his thing though. It's why you pick him.

Remember how a few months ago people we're asking about more diversity and how Zac was always brought up? I remember telling people,

"You don't want Zac to be META, you won't like him when he's META."

Zac's winrate is currently 51.48% which would indicated that he is in a healthy place balance wise. I was a zac main in Season 6, and he easily took me to Gold III, but since season 7 with the changes to jungle, I think he's way worse compared to higher carry jungle champs like VI.

Makes sure you consider your own play, since the only common factor in thinking Zac is ridiculous in your games'... is you. If he is losing around 50% of his games, and it just so happens that you seems to find in in the winning 50%. then you have to look at why that is.

Zac can be hard countered easily with certain champs like thresh, Janna, Morg support if they're good enough. And at higher elo, Zac really can't hard carry easily even if he's ahead. I love Zac, but this season... he's just decent, and I'd say bad for low elo since it's hard to rely on your teamates in solo Q to carry.

I love zac. So much fun to play. Amazing engage. Sustain. Hes the best blob

narnia

Basically. Zac makes me sad fairly often. Almost impossible to cover every spot he can arrive from, and he has that lovely 5-second stunlock once he does. His damage and survivability are a bit high for his mobility and durability, not to mention that even if you see him coming, you cant do a thing to stop him, usually. Aside from cower behind your turret.

Made the same thread; http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/7j1U4vaP-so-about-zac

Wonder when Rito will get their act together and nerf this piece of filth.

Yes, Zac can do things alot of junglers cant with his E. Hes a great tank, with high damage, decent clear speed, good sustain, and good amounts of crowd control.

The thing is, Zac is one of, if not, the single most counterpickable champion in the game. His E can be stopped in so many ways its hilarious. And if Zac doesnt land his E, hes absolutely garbage. You even have to max E first to get his range, making his first clear ganks pretty mediocre.

If you really think Zac is op, i suggest you try some counterpicks, and realize how easy it is to shut him down.

These 3 champions shut down Zac so hard its hilarious. Also, any champ with snares or knockbacks will do.

But if you want to just blindly complain after telling you this, be my guest.

The easy thing about Zac is he's predictable, there are only a couple places he can jump from if you aren't super out of position. If you get those spots warded, you'll have even more time to react than you would with other junglers.

So you ward areas where he would pass through to put himself in range to gank you and when you see him put your self to the opposite side of the lane / retreat so he has a harder time landing that E and engaging.

You know, people complain about his jump range, but why does no one complain about his damage? I mean the dude jumps into my back line starts doing shit while I am f*cking their backline and I look back and see in a 1v4 he has killed 3 of them. Then I try to kill him and he smashes my face and just heals back all the damage I do.

Not calling him OP, just saying, why the f*ck does he need to do so much damage? HE BUILDS PURE TANK!

I play Zac quite frequently. I will admit, I think his jump range is pretty insane, but its also relatively easy to dodge now that it is easy to see where he will be landing. Before the indicator I don't think he was balanced, but I'm pretty sure hes ok now. If there were more tank-shredding champions out there besides that were viable, he wouldn't be as insane. needs some help and almost every game I ban or see Vayne banned.

I love the ward deep responses. Yeah let me just go strolling into the enemy jungle with no vision, to drop a ward and face check the enemy mid and jg that collapsed on me. Lol.