Buffing ADC's damage isn't the solution

Sexy Jack Rabbit·12/12/2018, 1:04:38 PM·81 votes·16,699 views

Seriously, these PBE changes are absolutely useless to the overall issue of ADCs.

20 Damage on a Q and and extra Ult range? 15 Extra damage on ult? Giving Kalista more base AD?

ADC's problem is being blown up in under 2 seconds every fight, not dealing too little damage. ADC's are capable of dealing TONNES OF DAMAGE if they could literally live past what is supposed to be a poke spell.

Maybe nerf the damage every class is dealing right now so ADC's HAVE A CHANCE TO DEAL THEIR DAMAGE. Instead of being blown up at the start of every teamfight by everyone.

43 Comments

D357R0Y3R12/12/2018, 1:22:03 PM23 votes

ult range isn't a damage buff caitlyn Q --> they're shifting the power from waveclear to all in, and as an adc main i think it's a great idea

Giving Kalista more base AD

No, they're removing her W bonus AD so at the end of the day nothing changed

15 Extra damage on ult

I assume you're talking about corki his ult is completely garbage right now, ever since they nerfed the damage last year corki ult is only good to proc item 3078 and is pointless by itself, he's supposed to have a great poke with it but the poke does nothing

you also didn't talk about jinx buff, not being a damage buff same for Ashe

Irelia Bot12/12/2018, 6:18:56 PM9 votes

Delete keystones, duskblade and stormrazor. Doing this will resolve like half of the damage creep problem.

PaffWasTaken12/12/2018, 5:42:00 PM8 votes

Riot could just force a -25% damage on every champions in game and the game could only get better

Besteal12/12/2018, 4:21:06 PM7 votes

I mean, tbh, if someone, anyone, (not just ADC players) who plays damage chamions were willing to sacrifice a little bit of damage for a item 3143 or something similar then we wouldn't have this problem. I saw a Varus buy one once, he was still doing plenty of damage while also being quite difficult to kill. Plenty of Eve players by item 3742 or item 3110 . People need to learn that if they are building full damage, they will die unless they are playing something with a significant amount of self peel. They can't just build full glass cannon, and say "Hurr durr damage to high glass cannon shouldn't get killed quickly, X champion or X class too weak Rito buff pls." I assure you if an Irelia or Shyvana built as glass cannon as, say, Sivir or other ADCs, they'd get blown up at the first CC as well. Hell, that's what happens to MasterYi and Katarina . But champions like Irelia, Shyv, Eve can build somewhat tanky and do damage at the same time, so can the rest of the roster. People just need to stop being close-minded and adapt.

And don't tell me you lose too much damage from this, you'll get plenty more damage off from not insta-popping than you would have gotten from your 5th damage item.

Arammus12/12/2018, 9:56:26 PM7 votes

as i mentioned in a previous thread of mine, riot thinks the problem is that not every champ can 1shot. they are idiots and legit dont care anymore. and everyone who denies that is as much as fault as riot is. delusional idiots.

TJFish12/12/2018, 11:12:32 PM5 votes

Once upon a time ADC's were the primary form of dmg in the game, with mid followed closely in the rear. The issue today is that EVERY role has the ability to do A SHIT TON of dmg, with many classes serving as dmg, tank, and CC all in one kit. It's kind of disgusting how little disregard Riot gives to how roles are to be played, and what dmg creep is doing to their game.

BrightWîngs12/13/2018, 4:47:56 AM4 votes

well the issue is that they take too long to do damage if ur champion doesnt burst its most likely doo doo just look at the main adcs for bot Lucian Jhin Kaisa and Draven what do they all do? one shot people. Whos at the bottom Tristana Kalista Jinx guess what they cant do. you got it......one shot people. now am I saying these champs can NEVER work no they can but why? You are to some degree giving yourself a handicap when you could just play Lucian .

I agree buffing their damage is NOT the solution because late game pretty much all the ADCs do fine in damage but they need to scale. Someone like Lucian who is very strong early and is far from bad late game there's no real downfall to him aside from his attack range being short. my frustration is that early game champs hardly fall off anymore they just dominate early and still do just fine late game.

sorry if this is all over the place I kinda ranted just a wittle bit

LemurMonster12/13/2018, 2:52:46 AM2 votes

Agreed so much. It's not there damage but there armor & MR are in levels they cant live at all. Assassins & burst mages kill you far too easy now. Thats the problem now with many squishy marksmen in fact.. Its clear as night & day.

HeartsofConquest12/12/2018, 6:20:21 PM2 votes

If i can't be strong no one can...

NanoFlameZeroOne12/12/2018, 7:30:28 PM2 votes

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Seriously, these PBE changes are absolutely useless to the overall issue of ADCs.

20 Damage on a Q and and extra Ult range? 15 Extra damage on ult? Giving Kalista more base AD?

ADC's problem is being blown up in under 2 seconds every fight, not dealing too little damage. ADC's are capable of dealing TONNES OF DAMAGE if they could literally live past what is supposed to be a poke spell.

Maybe nerf the damage every class is dealing right now so ADC's HAVE A CHANCE TO DEAL THEIR DAMAGE. Instead of being blown up at the start of every teamfight by everyone.

The problem with (some) adc is that their scaling is too slow. 35 minutes to have decent damage is far too long. The balance team has a bad habit of shot gunning changes. As in, "let's do these ADC changes and item changes at the same time...". You cannot balance like that. It's a bad practice for troubleshooting issues.

Jerry SeinfeId12/12/2018, 8:11:37 PM2 votes

i really like the jinx buff tbh. i feel like it'll allow me to deal with mobile champs better.

Iron IV KogMaw12/13/2018, 7:29:51 PM1 votes

Their goal is faster games so they will just get everyone to the same damage until they realize the only people that want 10 minute games are the trashcans that barely play and play for a month then quit anyway.

FéliXXX12/13/2018, 2:21:44 AM1 votes

yeah they should nerff bruisers dmg and mages survavility but i rly think adcs has quite good def options so the ''high dmg'' its not the problem imo

Janakin12/13/2018, 10:32:57 AM1 votes

if they could literally live past what is supposed to be a poke spell

This.

H1de on blue12/13/2018, 3:02:21 PM1 votes

Boards be like "ADC don't have counterplay when they bust with undodgeable ranged attacks that aren't CD gated" ADC be like "the counterplay is blowing them up first" Boards be like "Make it so we ADC can't be blown up first"

I for one can't wait to play in Ardent Meta 2.0

ADCs only problem is mental scaling.

Punkd12/13/2018, 3:13:37 PM1 votes

All i can say is when you buy the correct items, play your own game, and stick behind your support classes, your adc always lives longer. :)

Snowman Arc12/13/2018, 5:08:19 PM1 votes

Kalista's AD is given to her from level 1 instead of level 3 from her W. Nothing to see there. Caitlyn's extra damage on Q is just used for champions, not waveclear and she needed the extra damage. Her R increased range was also necessary. Corki is a joke. He needs so much more than just 15 damage on his R

Anchorit Wracaj12/13/2018, 7:06:15 PM1 votes

We need a fkin tank meta. Or just legacy servers.Hope they will come out soon.Cus this is unbearable. Theres zero possibility for ADCs to exist in the game.Cause no matter what damage they will deal,they will still get one shoted.+Riot is pushing damage on all other champions..lmao...enjoy ur "buffs" U will just become a little bigger threat now,and u will have even more grey screen.