+
+ 
1337 + 1325 + 400
total cost 3100 combine cost 38
45AD
400hp
15% CDR
passive's unchanged
no passive
reason: 20% cdr is very awkward for AD caster's who want to get the 5% cdr mastery + other cdr items
current build path is awkward (which i guess is the point)
it is very punishing to rush this item on lane bully's who are ahead
3tyson1 votesHow about no
Lauricella31 votesHow about no
explain?
3tyson3 votesIts perfectly fine the way it is and an item i really like
Lauricella31 votesIts perfectly fine the way it is and an item i really like
i like it too but i kinda miss the old black cleaver (specifically brutaliser)
3tyson1 votesThe passive is verry good and i like the 20% cdr because 15 is a messy number wich ends up in either losing 5% cdr or overdoing your cdr
This item is usefull on champs like reksai and i like it on ad tank leblanc aswel what you could do is add 6cdr blues and start with 10% cdr instead of 5 from masterirs this way you can get early cdr easier wich is usualy a good thing early cdr is best cdr
Critmaster Garen1 voteswhy not change the mastery to level scaling cdr instead ending up at 10%? i realize, that 5% cdr are really awkward to itemize for, since they changed or removed cdr from items, that there arent any items that grant 5% or 15% cdr anymore (except for ionian boots).
but imo they should change the mastery instead.
Dr Poro1 votesWhy make it build out of brutalizer if it doesn't get flat Arpen? Makes no sense.
Lauricella31 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Poro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1ZdKBxZI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-07-18T14:47:44.614+0000)
Why make it build out of brutalizer if it doesn't get flat Arpen? Makes no sense.
you lose the 
passive when upgrading to 
you lose the 
passive when upgrading 
you used to lose the 
passive when upgrading to 
really it's a game with lazors and magic nothing is supposed to make sense.
Caeler1 votesI don't know why Avarice doesn't keep its passive, but Recurve's passive is on hit damage... which both Wit's End and Devourer have. The fact that Van Damm's keeps the passive now emphasizes that building an item shouldn't cause you to lose out on something that one of its components provided. Black Cleaver shouldn't build from Brutalizer because it doesn't have flat pen anymore.
Lauricella31 votesI don't know why Avarice doesn't keep its passive, but Recurve's passive is on hit magic damage... which both Wit's End and Devourer have. The fact that Van Damm's keeps the passive now emphasizes that building an item shouldn't cause you to lose out on something that one of its components provided. Black Cleaver shouldn't build from Brutalizer because it doesn't have flat pen anymore.
is on hit physcical
Caeler1 votesFixed.