Whats the point of reveal items?

FluorescentBulb·May 27, 2015·1 votes·985 views

I am so sick of vision in this game. If you ask me, I'd say a reveal item is something that will allow you to catch a sneaky enemy by itemizing against them. But League seems to think reveal should be comparable to a flashlight on a sunny day. I'm talking about and . These items seem like good specialization items specifically made to kill stealth users. However, if a unit goes stealth they are actually completely useless. will hover around a stealthed target without being able to hit them making it completely useless and a will only reveal a target so long as they aren't stealthed.

Examples: will hover in an Akali bubble, but not fast enough or precisely enough for you to aim at them. will stop revealing Wukong as soon as he uses Decoy.

What is the purpose of these items if they don't do the thing they specifically say they can? The one thing that's supposed to differentiate them from other items? If spells can reveal enemies, and keep them revealed, then why can't items?

21 Comments

sp441May 27, 20153 votes

By comparison, there also isn't a lot of stealth-able champions in the game, and a lot of their power budget goes into their stealth capabilities.

SoundChaosDebugMay 27, 20151 votes

Pretty much this, it's like he expects every usable item to be able to grant true vision for stealth. There are a very small amount of stealth characters right now and almost all of the current incarnation of stealth has been gimped or shortened.

Example : Twitch stealth used to be 30 seconds

Right now the most toxic stealth thing would be eve perma stealth outside of combat or the fact that teemo can lay more than 3 mushrooms down.

Different items have different purposes because build path variety? I bet you if he had his way he would say something like "rito plz everything build the same no space for creativity'

FluorescentBulbMay 27, 20151 votes

You sound like you're not going to listen no matter what I say since you seem to like to blow things out of proportion, but lets try anyway. No, I don't want every usable item to grant true vision, I want the two items in the game specifically made to "reveal them" to actually reveal them.

Stealth is not dead, far from it, and assassins are still strong. Making them pay attention is not a bad thing. Making the team tank ghosts is not hard. Making enemies burn cooldowns is standard.

This is variety, these are low tier items (Skrimisher's since it lost its damage reduction). There are much better items to buy, and those items work as advertised. There is none of your build path variety right now if some items are just flat out weaker than others and their bonus effects are moot. Why do you think Elysia's is gone? Cuz it had a moot effect. If you actually want to get creative then these items should have something that makes them shine or there won't be.

SoundChaosDebugMay 27, 20151 votes

I believe you're mistaking revealing with true vision, reveal simply does as it states shows you what is under the fog of war.

Nameless VoiceMay 27, 20153 votes

You buy Skirmisher's Sabre for the damage reduction and burn, not for the reveal.

FluorescentBulbMay 27, 20151 votes

Not a thing anymore, they took away its key power and I'm struggling to find a secondary power.

Nameless VoiceMay 27, 20151 votes

They reduced the duration of the damage reduction. It still burns. Still makes you win nearly every duel.

XrusaMay 27, 20151 votes

OR you could just build a sweeper/pink wards

FluorescentBulbMay 27, 20151 votes

True but itemization is already very stale and it seems odd that items built with a purpose don't work as they are described.

XrusaMay 27, 20151 votes

Neither item was designed to reveal stealthed champions. The Skirmisher's Sabre specifically says "does not reveal stealth" on the wiki ( http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Skirmisher%27s_Sabre ) and nowhere on Twin Shadows' description does it say that it reveals stealthed champs. I wish there were more items to deal with stealth, but these items are definitely working as intended.

FluorescentBulbMay 27, 20151 votes

That's Wikia. Leagueoflegend.com and the item discription says "you have vision of them." The actual source says at least you should be able to see them. It's lazy for someone "in vision" to be invisible.

XrusaMay 27, 20151 votes

You can nitpick all you want, it won't change how the item works, or the fact that it was meant to be this way.

3tysonMay 27, 20151 votes

not really anserwing your question but since i saw smite there i figured you might be a jungler ganking wukong

protip : smte raptors see the real wukong

FluorescentBulbMay 27, 20152 votes

Does not work unless there is a ward near and I'm a jungler peeling against a Wukong. It seems like sloppy play for players and lazy for Riot for there to be a scenario where he runs in stealthed with a debuff that says "revealed for 4 seconds."

3tysonMay 27, 20151 votes

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Does not work unless there is a ward near and I'm a jungler peeling against a Wukong. It seems like sloppy play for players and lazy for Riot for there to be a scenario where he runs in stealthed with a debuff that says "revealed for 4 seconds."

i remember attacking wukong and all of a sudden i saw 2 wukongs anad the smite chicken buff around me at first i didnt know what was happening like wdf there 2 and than i understood its the true vission

3TWarriorMay 27, 20151 votes

well, that is part of their playstyle, but the thing is, you can pretty much always know where the stealthing enemy is going unless they're twitch or rengar, but both champs have a 3 second in combat status before the stealth activates and targeted effects will still take place on them, such as caitlynn's ult

FluorescentBulbMay 27, 20151 votes

If that's so then Twin Shadow should not screw up. It should still connect, I mean it still targets after all.

3TWarriorMay 27, 20151 votes

and their position doesn't change, so area effects will still hit them

the champs that are really broken are champs that become untargetable as nearly all of them are tier #1

also, you can upgrade your free trinket to be a vision ward so you can activate it to see stealth I think? someone correct me if i'm wrong

3tysonMay 27, 20151 votes

i think i know whats going on item 3023 and item 3290 r 2 different items the one with the gold border detects stealth units and can not be used in SR

R110May 27, 20151 votes

I don't think Challenging smite is made to reveal stealthed enemies because you need to see your target in the first place to smite them and thus only grants sight of the target. Similar for Twin Shadows, it's more of a scouting item instead of a reationary item vs stealth.

Upgraded red trinket and vision wards on the other hand are made to reveal invisible units.