So when is armor removed from the game?

Kratos263·12/15/2014, 4:51:49 AM·39 votes·4,186 views

Title says it guys, when is armor getting removed from the game? Because right now, no matter how much armor I buy, there are so many items that gives armor penetration that I still get hit as though I never bought any. Could something be done about this?

68 Comments

Silents42912/15/2014, 4:59:34 AM28 votes

I don't like your comment but you are right, Having 400 armor on my champions and I still melt.

JadeKnightblazer12/15/2014, 5:59:03 AM13 votes

Really how brusty and fast team fights start and finish, building purley dps really doesn't have many cons compared to pure tanky. Either way the tank melts, might aswell do some damage before going down. Aim for the adc / mid, which ever teams dies first loses... simple really.

The ability to reduce attack speed seems to have larger effect then Armor or MR.

Only people that seem to live with armor are champs with crazy build in steroids for it Maokai Braum Malphite Nasus DrMundo Garen

Rebonack12/15/2014, 6:05:29 AM12 votes

Baaaaasically it's because Voidstaff and Lastwhisper are broken as balls.

Riot admitted that they're broken as balls months ago.

They still haven't done anything about it.

(hint, the thing to do about it is remove them from the game and then balance resist values according to the fact that you can't itemize percentile pen)

LankPants12/15/2014, 8:14:01 AM4 votes

All they need to do is revert the season 3 changes to pen, they were completely overkill and tanks have been weak as a class since they were implemented.

junglerboy1612/15/2014, 1:59:30 PM3 votes

the issue right now is that armor gives diminishing returns , which conversely means armor penetration gives increasing returns. In addition to the fact that as several people already explained that armor pen got a buff in season three.

Kroda1312/15/2014, 2:29:13 PM2 votes

Rammus destroys ADCs. Armor is fine

The5lacker12/16/2014, 8:09:12 AM2 votes

Trust me, if you built no armor, you'd notice.

Plus nobody should get to be immortal. Immortality makes for boring games.

Rebonack12/16/2014, 1:56:25 AM2 votes

The problem that Void and Whisper have is that they are good against everything because they add a nice chunk of AD/AP in addition to percentile pen being one of the best damage amplifying stats in the game.

If Riot wanted to keep Void and Whisper in the game without them being the best offensive options bar none, then it would have be something like a 1.5k item that gives 50% bonus resist penetration and nothing else. That would be a tank-countering item that's useless against everyone else.

Earl Eulrich12/17/2014, 1:31:53 AM1 votes

The worst thing is when you have 200armor, they crit you for 700 and you notice they only have a SS+IE - no pen at all.

WiegrafOfValor12/15/2014, 6:35:08 AM1 votes

They should nerf last whisper to reduce only 25% and reduce the reduction gain from defense from 0 AR to 100 AR and boost the reduction from 150 to 300. They could also inject more flat pen items, they are ok.. Just % reduction that's broken.

By doing that, they can fix AR and MR, because the way it is, it's more useful to buy only one def item then go full HP.. Trust me

Meep Man12/16/2014, 1:39:04 AM1 votes

Oh, Im glad you asked.

Right when you go against a jungle MonkeyKing with item 3707 item 3071 and item 3035 while KogMaw is Bottom Lane with item 3035 . It's also great when you have a Yasuo in the Middle Lane with a item 3035 as well. This can be further amplified by also getting runes and masteries. So, around the 24:00 minutes mark is when armor stops existing in a match with these guys. Thanks for asking.

But in all seriousness, tanks need some help. I mean, whats the point of getting a 2750 costing item when the enemy can buy a cheaper item to ignore 35% of that item I bought's armor?

lolipopevelynn12/16/2014, 1:47:32 AM1 votes

armor pen isnt the problem. magic damage is.

juaumzitus12/16/2014, 2:27:41 AM1 votes

You are wrong, there are only 3 penetration items, Youmu, LW and BC. Youmu sucks at penetration, leaving only LW and BC, BC is not a carry item since it lost it's AS for HP, leaving only LW.

The problem is the ghost stats. I don't know what effects this, enemy's item, a program bug, whatever, the problem is that sometimes having 300 armor or mr is equal to the base stat only, the same thing happens with movement speed. Remember when a bootless jungler could reach you when you had complete boots? Yeah, ghost stat. Same thing happens with Hecarim and Rammus, ghost stat on movement speed when they use the skill, the numbers go up, but your real speed remains.

Rebonack12/16/2014, 3:58:35 AM1 votes

Youmu sucks at penetration,

You made me giggle.

With Whisper, YoMama's Ghostblade, and armor pen Runes Wukong can deal True Damage to anyone with 70 or less armor.

Peter McCain12/16/2014, 5:03:14 AM1 votes

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Title says it guys, when is armor getting removed from the game? Because right now, no matter how much armor I buy, there are so many items that gives armor penetration that I still get hit as though I never bought any. Could something be done about this?

so many armor pen items? theres 4 and two of them build from one of the four... you must be picking the wrong champions or trolling.

WooBeeWoo12/16/2014, 5:16:03 AM1 votes

Yeah I noticed this immediately after the adc buffs.... a full tank role is almost pointless because if you don't also have cc AND damage then you are basically doing nothing because you get aa a few times being the front line and you are like half hp