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This damage is ridiculous

alanjrsmith··41 votes·15,535 views

Ive been playing since season 4 and this season the damage is way to high. I all i did was use my POINT AND CLICK Q and 1 auto attack and put him on 1% health. I dont even know how this acceptable. This game honestly dosent feel like league of legends anymore. Armour/magic resist is worthless unless the champions kit directly benefits from it. The champion pool now is so small its boring. Especially in ranked its the same champ over and over and over becuse everyone just abuses the high damage now. Support role is meaningless now. I see velkoz, xerath, yasuo etc going support and sharing gold and still coming out on top even i do this at times and i find its so easy to crap on a standard adc/support combo by just picking a bursty high damage champ as support. It feels like this game is no longer about outplaying the enemy team or warding properly. Turrents are garbage dragons are way to easy to take with many champions being able to 1 v 1 dragon and especially some junglers being able to 1 v 1 rift herald is insane. On rare occasions i even seen champions 1 v 1 baron nashor. how is that even acceptable its a buff for the whole team thats mean to be taken with the whole team or at least 3 people. This high damage meta is garbage and just ruins any thought into the game. Team fights are boring and stale as fuck now. Its literally just a spam fest of who gets all there abilities off first. Just look at old videos from previous seasons of league from lcs or youtubers you will see how much damage is in this game right now its insane. Even pros are complaining about it. Youtubers are streamers are and alot of people on the forums are but riot just wants to say fuck you and not listen to its dedicated fans who keep wanting them change it. The skill cap in this game has gone down so much it hurts to see the game like this i used to play this game so much but now its just the same champions over and over and over its so stale now. its almost always the same bans the same everything no one wants to deviate because its not fun picking a champion and getting 0-100 because you cant 0-100 back or you dont have a escape or any type of way to counter. Well thats my rant for the day.

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AquariusGine28 votes

''If everyone is broken, no one is broken.''

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Rathar Dashing4 votes

I thought that was Hi-Rez studios logic

Alzon2 votes

It’s called the “Syndrome syndrome.”

...At least, that’s what it’s called in my head.

wolvius3 votes

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''If everyone is broken, no one is broken.''

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Riot likes the increidbles too much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmSO2cz2ozQ

DU Baymax2 votes

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''If everyone is broken, no one is broken.''

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it's true tho

I have bad RNG1 votes

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''If everyone is broken, no one is broken.''

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except tanks.

Blåbæret25 votes

The damage is ridiculous and it destroys the tactical and skill-based elements of League. Zerg-like tactics are actually becoming viable and it makes the game braindead.

Tychusfindlay9184 votes

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The damage is ridiculous and it destroys the tactical and skill-based elements of League. Zerg-like tactics are actually becoming viable and it makes the game braindead.

swarm hosts murdered starcraft and led to its death.

DaVId KimBA

ZaFishbone18 votes

Yeah, who cares that it was a fairly fed MF, an ADC known for burst damage, who had built an item known for improving burst damage, who used her two main burst abilities, including her ult, who procced her keystone, which is also oriented to give more burst, all against a squishy target, who would have goten away if MF hadn't used all that?

Marshbouy9 votes

"guy who is really fed attacks a guy who is really behind and the guy who is really behind dies quickly"

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PhDs Nuts3 votes

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"guy who is really fed attacks a guy who is really behind and the guy who is really behind dies quickly"

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6 kills and 110 cs at 22 minutes isn't even fed at all, lol. If MF had 0 kills and farmed normally she'd have the same amount of gold.

Marshbouy2 votes

6 kills is like 1800 gold wtf

alanjrsmith2 votes

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Yeah, who cares that it was a fairly fed MF, an ADC known for burst damage, who had built an item known for improving burst damage, who used her two main burst abilities, including her ult, who procced her keystone, which is also oriented to give more burst, all against a squishy target, who would have goten away if MF hadn't used all that? your completely missing the point. I used only 1 auto attack and my point and click q to get jhin at 10% health that is r%%%%%ed and im the one playing her saying this is stupid. It dosent matter if i have 2 items or am 2 levels ahead no one should be doing that much damage with 1 ability and 1 auto attack

PhDs Nuts2 votes

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Yeah, who cares that it was a fairly fed MF, an ADC known for burst damage, who had built an item known for improving burst damage, who used her two main burst abilities, including her ult, who procced her keystone, which is also oriented to give more burst, all against a squishy target, who would have goten away if MF hadn't used all that?

You're literally making his point. Why is there an item and a keystone meant to do her job for her?

ZaFishbone1 votes

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You're literally making his point. Why is there an item and a keystone meant to do her job for her?

Because as ppl got better and better at the game, catching people out an getting kills became harder and harder. I remember that at one point worlds matches had become the most boring affair, with almost no kills the whole game. And despite the fact that ppl call these changes "pandering to the competitive scene in detriment to regular experience", these problems were affecting the main game as well. Face it: the mobility and CC meta forced Riot to implement different versions of damage meta to keep up. Otherwise games would have stalled forever.

Bears Dont Care12 votes

My was 6/2/6 Had 2 levels over jhin, and had 2 armor pen items. My also had to use all her abilities to pop in jhin.

Seriously I get damage is high in league but this is bbn just doctoring things to fit a narrative.

alanjrsmith5 votes

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My was 6/2/6 Had 2 levels over jhin, and had 2 armor pen items. My also had to use all her abilities to pop in jhin.

Seriously I get damage is high in league but this is bbn just doctoring things to fit a narrative.

no it isnt. you can be behind and still do crap like this.

AgentBlack1 votes

Then why didn't you post a clip of that? Instead of dramatizing this one, where you were a bursty ADC with 3 completed items attacking an underleveled squishy ADC.

Iron Phantom6 votes

Indeed, the dmg in league atm is out of control, I honestly think riot seriously needs to start tuning down AP and AD items

Daddy Ants3 votes

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Indeed, the dmg in league atm is out of control, I honestly think riot seriously needs to start tuning down AP and AD items

Riot is making systemic changes over the next few patches to combat excessive damage in the game.

UlyssesISR4 votes

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Riot is making systemic changes over the next few patches to combat excessive damage in the game.

So in other words, they are not going to do anything about it.

Raiyza5 votes

If you look at the PBE, they are removing the true damage on Infinity Edge.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2019/01/125-pbe-update-more-tentative-balance.html

LTK KoRo3 votes

And adding 25% AD bonus damage on crits. That just makes ADCs better against squishies, they don't need to do even more damage to them

AgentBlack1 votes

Yeah, I guess you should just leave, right?

Honeydew Zekling6 votes

Damage is high but this video does a poor job of justifying that complaint.

  1. MF is 2 levels ahead so she will do more damage to a squishier Jihn.
  2. The was the first hit on Jihn so MF's passive activates and gives her something like 83% more AD on that one hit.
  3. It looked like the Q crit. Q does another +100% damage if it crits
  4. MF is building items that are meant to kill squishies

MF is getting all of this and doesn't 1 shot Jihn. She is ahead and punishes a behind Jihn for being out of position and then needs to ult to secure the kill.

This sounds very reasonable to me. If you're ahead and building items to kill X type of champion, you should be able to easily kill X type of champion.

Hayaishi26 votes

Look at everyone defending MF doing half his HP with a basic attack. Because she is 2 levels ahead. Being two levels ahead suddenly means my enemies can't play the game.

This is why this game won't improve.

Isn't this why you all wanted Trist nerfed back then?

alanjrsmith4 votes

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Look at everyone defending MF doing half his HP with a basic attack. Because she is 2 levels ahead. Being two levels ahead suddenly means my enemies can't play the game.

This is why this game won't improve.

Isn't this why you all wanted Trist nerfed back then?

exactly back in the day a fed person never did this much damage 1 auto attack and a 1 should never ever take somones health down to like 12% thats just poor design but the people defending it want a brain dead game where you dont have to actually think and plan your attacks

HÔPÊ5 votes

The game is braindead now. It feel like I don't have to outplay or outsmart anybody. I just need to press buttons on the right target and oneshot.

Rustypug4 votes

A big problem is that they think "oh people are upset that adc die in like 2 seconds in team fights better buff their damage" adcs can DO damage the problem is that theyre so squishy they just simply cant live long enough to do it unless youre a annoying ass adc like Kaisa Lucian Vayne who are super annoying to deal with especially vayne with her recent buff those 3 adcs seem to shit on every single other adc becuase they are simply the best at what they do, adcs like Ashe Tristana Jinx cant do shit against them because they are just two strong early game with their mobility

another huge problem is of course lethality and pure burst shaco should not be able to get a free flash and 1 shot me assassin champs are bullshit because no matter what you will die to them, zed will ult you and thats it there is literally no point lethality as a whole should just be removed

when you bring up conquer and true damage people will always say how its nerfed but the concept of true damage is bullshit in my opinions, a yassou should not be able to do over 1700 damage to me while im full build full tank half the time to me true damage feels like random crits in tf2 i should not lose a skill match up simply because your champ can mow through my armor in 2 seconds with no items because of conquer

i also think its bullshit how mr and armor are practically useless most of the time i just end up building full ad on my tanks because if i dont blow them up they will blow me up i should be able to punish people who bring mages top lane because i built mr but it feels like i just go from dying in 2 seconds to dying in 3 and still doing no damage

im no pro but these are just my opinions, riot seems to have a problem where they try and find a middle ground and pussy foot around yas for example they wont nerf him because all the die hard yas mains would piss their pants so they change items and piss everyone off id rather have a small group of pissed off players instead of everyone being pissed off

kingDeDeDarius2 votes

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A big problem is that they think "oh people are upset that adc die in like 2 seconds in team fights better buff their damage" adcs can DO damage the problem is that theyre so squishy they just simply cant live long enough to do it unless youre a annoying ass adc like Kaisa Lucian Vayne who are super annoying to deal with especially vayne with her recent buff those 3 adcs seem to shit on every single other adc becuase they are simply the best at what they do, adcs like Ashe Tristana Jinx cant do shit against them because they are just two strong early game with their mobility

another huge problem is of course lethality and pure burst shaco should not be able to get a free flash and 1 shot me assassin champs are bullshit because no matter what you will die to them, zed will ult you and thats it there is literally no point lethality as a whole should just be removed

when you bring up conquer and true damage people will always say how its nerfed but the concept of true damage is bullshit in my opinions, a yassou should not be able to do over 1700 damage to me while im full build full tank half the time to me true damage feels like random crits in tf2 i should not lose a skill match up simply because your champ can mow through my armor in 2 seconds with no items because of conquer

i also think its bullshit how mr and armor are practically useless most of the time i just end up building full ad on my tanks because if i dont blow them up they will blow me up i should be able to punish people who bring mages top lane because i built mr but it feels like i just go from dying in 2 seconds to dying in 3 and still doing no damage

im no pro but these are just my opinions, riot seems to have a problem where they try and find a middle ground and pussy foot around yas for example they wont nerf him because all the die hard yas mains would piss their pants so they change items and piss everyone off id rather have a small group of pissed off players instead of everyone being pissed off

I agree with most of what you say, but I think true damage is healthy is instances like olaf, darius, or Cho, because it's flat, and in the case of darius, has to be stacked up and he's an immobile champ with otherwise rather lose early fight burst and only medium dps. Hyperscaling champs like Jax and Yas however, with all their mobility and built in defensive steroids/abilities, should never be allowed access to true damage because it breaks them, especially because they can, and should have to, build armor pen to kill tanks. They should have to make a choice: kill tanks faster or kill Squishies faster? They shouldn't be able to instajib anyone.

SovereignMammal4 votes

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A big problem is that they think "oh people are upset that adc die in like 2 seconds in team fights better buff their damage" adcs can DO damage the problem is that theyre so squishy they just simply cant live long enough to do it unless youre a annoying ass adc like Kaisa Lucian Vayne who are super annoying to deal with especially vayne with her recent buff those 3 adcs seem to shit on every single other adc becuase they are simply the best at what they do, adcs like Ashe Tristana Jinx cant do shit against them because they are just two strong early game with their mobility

another huge problem is of course lethality and pure burst shaco should not be able to get a free flash and 1 shot me assassin champs are bullshit because no matter what you will die to them, zed will ult you and thats it there is literally no point lethality as a whole should just be removed

when you bring up conquer and true damage people will always say how its nerfed but the concept of true damage is bullshit in my opinions, a yassou should not be able to do over 1700 damage to me while im full build full tank half the time to me true damage feels like random crits in tf2 i should not lose a skill match up simply because your champ can mow through my armor in 2 seconds with no items because of conquer

i also think its bullshit how mr and armor are practically useless most of the time i just end up building full ad on my tanks because if i dont blow them up they will blow me up i should be able to punish people who bring mages top lane because i built mr but it feels like i just go from dying in 2 seconds to dying in 3 and still doing no damage

im no pro but these are just my opinions, riot seems to have a problem where they try and find a middle ground and pussy foot around yas for example they wont nerf him because all the die hard yas mains would piss their pants so they change items and piss everyone off id rather have a small group of pissed off players instead of everyone being pissed off

Jinx has a 52% win rate with an 8% pick rate right now, she's doing fine

SSW Talon1 votes

You missed the part where Lethality as a whole isn't the issue, it's just Duskblade and it feels like a bandaid fix. Lethality sucks and the AD on the items is low, it feels bad to have to have them in your inventory but as an AD assassin you have no choice because without flat pen you can't even assassinate fucking Ashe.

Imagine being mad that assassins are doing their job, you know, killing carries. Duskblade needs work or it needs removing. If removed, a new Lethality item needs to be added (not one with free burst though.)

Napoleon33 votes

ofcorse the damage is too high riot after fiora rework fucked up so much or even when devourer strikes but before things where great.

I have bad RNG3 votes

I just started 7-0 with a volibear with pure tank items and I was getting deleted in 2 sec flat in a fight. I mean my passive is useless in these situations. I'm telling you this is the worst fucking meta I've played since starting league 9 years ago. I truly do not enjoy this. why even have tank items at this point? Your game is in the gutters right now...

CppL2 votes

Hmm the bounced Q would"ve 100-0 him...lol

Daddy Ants2 votes

MF has access to too much front loaded damage.

Duskblade, Love Tap, Stormrazor (if she decides to build it)

Dark Harvest has been breaking MF ever since the rune was introduced to the game.

DeusVult2 votes

TBH i see nothing wrong here. You have a MF, who is 6/2/6 with 110 farm at 20 minutes. She has 2 and a half completed items, with all of those items being designed for 1 purpose; to kill squishy targets. MF herself is designed more than almost any other ADC to quickly kill squishy targets. She is running a keystone to, again, kill squishy targets.

Then Jhin, who has ~1260 HP at level 10, and no defensive items (at least if played competitively) strolls right into MFs kill zone when her duskblade and ult come off of CD. And even with all of that, it takes MF her main burst ability, burst item being off of CD, keystone, and ult to kill that target. Had that champ not been Jhin and instead been someone with an early armor item, say a Sion or Naut with sunfire + Tabis (which would be great against their team) and MF is going to have a hard time killing them

alanjrsmith2 votes

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TBH i see nothing wrong here. You have a MF, who is 6/2/6 with 110 farm at 20 minutes. She has 2 and a half completed items, with all of those items being designed for 1 purpose; to kill squishy targets. MF herself is designed more than almost any other ADC to quickly kill squishy targets. She is running a keystone to, again, kill squishy targets.

Then Jhin, who has ~1260 HP at level 10, and no defensive items (at least if played competitively) strolls right into MFs kill zone when her duskblade and ult come off of CD. And even with all of that, it takes MF her main burst ability, burst item being off of CD, keystone, and ult to kill that target. Had that champ not been Jhin and instead been someone with an early armor item, say a Sion or Naut with sunfire + Tabis (which would be great against their team) and MF is going to have a hard time killing them

I dont think you know how league works right now. Armour is garbage tier right now., I guarantee if jhin had 3 Armour items i still would have almost 1 shot him. And guess what i was still doing that same crazy damage to every other enemy on that team even the top laner. That damage is not balanced at all.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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I dont think you know how league works right now. Armour is garbage tier right now., I guarantee if jhin had 3 Armour items i still would have almost 1 shot him. And guess what i was still doing that same crazy damage to every other enemy on that team even the top laner. That damage is not balanced at all.

What is math? If he had 3 armor items you would not have come close to it. Hell, do a video. Level 10 jhin with randuins omen, sun fire, and w thornmail. Show half his hp disappearing in one shot with a passive proc, I will wit.

Furthermore, no one does a one shot when they are very far behind. Jhin who is very item dependent doesn't and neither will anyone else.

You guys are looking for things to feed a narrative but ignore every other circumstance that disagrees.

By the by, to the person who said in the past this didn't happen when you were fed is ignorant.

Talon, pantheon, le blanc. Lee sin. Luciano. Anyone damage based would one shot if they were very fed like MF is in this video.

That was in s4, where penetration items were even stronger.

I'd damage was so high, why doesn't anyone ever show a tank getting decimated so quickly? Everyone says co queror causes a tank to melt instantly but lo and behold. No videos.

Bultz2 votes

Lmao I've said this same thing for months and anytime you bring it up mage and adc mains cry about it because for some fucking reason they think they are duelists.

Minimac20002 votes

Holy, I just got triggered watching mf take that tower. Your w gives you atk speed and no extra escape benefits USE IT TO TAKE THE TOWER Sorry. But yes too much dmg

ExxonV2 votes

Did a game as twitch jg where I got fed and went around the map deleting the enemy caitlyn whenever she'd show anywhere. I'd drop memes like "You don't get to play the game" or "Caitlyn was out of position, she left fountain" but then her team actually started to bitch about her when game ended and she was 0/8/1. I told them she didnt do anything wrong, I didnt even get fed off her. But once I WAS fed literally anywhere she went I could kill her for free. ADC's are just weak in a burst meta, even if they themselves have burst, they lack the items or skillsets to give them any counterplay to it.

Except kaisa, because riot in their wisdom... at the same time they broke adc's created a adc that was literally tailored to this meta.

INoble KnightI2 votes

Yeah you pressed Q and right click. You also had a bunch of flat pen, dusk blade proc, the passive proc from MF, and then dark harvest proc. There was a lot of shit hitting at once. Not counting the ult.

Frog goes moo2 votes

The damage is high, but as I see it right now the jhin is two levels down. MF is building lethality and armor pen against a squishy ad. Also she has 11 dark harvest stacks at the time of his death. I also don't really know what items the jhin has at the moment of being one shotted like that, but I highly doubt he's building any health or armor, so I'm not really surprised.

Conclusion: I think damage should be lowered. but he should/would be dead anyways.

OrangeMarine1 votes

LOL lmao off at this thread.

bc his post is factual. too funny what this game is now.

it is now like party mode split-screen mario-partty joke of a game

which is fine, unless you are diamond + we all suck so lets just make it hilarious and fun. lets be real there never was any "strategy" until at least plat which was only ever like top 10% of players.

there's still strategy if ur good, you just have to factor in dmg now into that strategy

SamaHamra1 votes

My eyes hurt can you edit it and separate that chunk

2Charmnot2Charm1 votes

You're playing lethality MF, wtf did you expect to happen to a non tank that's 2 levels behind (and most likely items too) a ADC of all champs?

MorgManBasher1 votes

6/2 with dark harvest and lethality on MF. I see nothing wrong here, this is super normal.

That build is for bursting squishies and useless af against anything with any tankiness except when ulting.

F031 votes

you were 2 levels ahead and 6-2 vs the enemy adc

no shit you were going to do that much damage

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