Jungle and Vision and Supports

remakoro··10 votes·5,547 views

4.3 Sightstone cost reduced 950>800 Maximum amount of wards that can be had on the map from it removed. (could only have 2 wards placed from sightstone)

5.22 Sweeping lens - cooldown reduced. Introduction of current iteration of item 3364 Shitty version of what we had before! But its free! Sightstone - Amount of charges reduced. Wards duration reduced. Tracker knife - added item 3340 - Nerf to cooldown. Recharge time adjusted to 180 - 120 (based on level) seconds from 120 seconds at all levels Nerf to duration - Ward duration adjusted to 60 - 120 (based on level) based on level from 60 / 120. Before it received 120s duration on lvl 9. Ward charges increased to 2 from 1. Hurray! If i keep warding by CD then total amount of wards i can dish out goes pretty much unchanged. Oh wait... I now have higher CD so its less actually... Greater Stealth Totem - removed. It had 2 charges. 60s CD and lasted 180s but required you to be lvl 9 and spend hard earned gold on upgrade. Greater Vision Totem - removed. Another upgrade for item 3340 Trinket that places pinks. 120s CD item 2056 - removed from shop (had cost of 75g) item 2055 - cost reduced 100g>75g Id like to remind you that you cant have more than 3 pinks in your invenotry compared to possibly unlimited stacks of stealth wards. Clairvoyance - Removed. Yea i know people RARELY took it. But it still was a viable option. 60s CD and 5s effect duration. With global range.

6.1 item 3340 Cooldown reduced to 180 - 90 (based on level) seconds from 180 - 120 (based on level) seconds. Which changes nothing for early and mid game.

6.22 Pink ward replaced with item 2055 - Essentially very hard NERF. Has Twice less vision range. 1100 on pink compared to 600 on control ward. Also Does not detect invisible units (hey Khazix ) Plants introduced. Blast cone - creating additional paths. Which in a way makes vision less impactful. Scryer Bloom - Free ward revealing thing. And they all placed in key points. Allowing you to reveal wards no matter what objective you want to take or whom you want to gank. But at least it alarms people. item 3147 - ward disabling feature introduced.

8.2 Sightstone - removed Replaced with obligatory quests that leave you without wards until 8-15 min into the game. Depends on how things go. In some extreme cases you might not finish it even after 20 mins. (hello every single solo laner that has no idea what item 3097 does. ganking your lanes is a pleasure)

8.4 Tracker knife - removed 8.6 item 3147 - wards disabled by its passive now die instantly. Cuz wards clearly not worth even 2s of assassins time. 8.8 item 3364 Available from lvl 1 Sweeping lens removed.

nerfing vision for several seasons essentially almost gutting it in the early and mid game Hey why jungler cant stick to his jungle? They just keep camping lanes... giving supports more gold via buffs to g5 items. removing obligatory slots opening them to purchase more stats and items. cutting on their need to stack item 2056 for their team giving them even more gold as result. adding gold for killing wards. Hey why supports are so stronk? Removing item 3309 with no compensation and without providing any options Hey where tanky supports went? Compared - Actives on other G5 upgrades got removed from them but they still present in the game item 2065 item 3905

Holy fucking shit. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

And now they fixing It in the worst way possible. I GUESS WE SHOULD JUST STRAIGHT GO STAT CHECKY ON THEM! We keep saying that we dont like champions being statchecky so we will fucking fix this in the only way we actually capable of. By straight cutting numbers. Here you go - new jungle changes. If jungler will be useless he wont have as much impact RIGHT?

In my opinion they completely missed root of the problem.

7 Comments

Blakiepug3 votes

The vision changes this season have been the absolute worst. In particular the removal of the support items in favor of forcing all supports to get the ward item instead. That change has single-handedly ruined the support role for me (Bring back Face of the Mountain please :/).

Salson1 votes

Lol, how exactly were support item changes bad for them?

Thresh and Blic can now rush Mobis much more easily and thus have much more game impact. Brand and Zyra can rush magic pen.

It was an overall buff for every champion in the role.

Blakiepug1 votes

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Lol, how exactly were support item changes bad for them?

Thresh and Blic can now rush Mobis much more easily and thus have much more game impact. Brand and Zyra can rush magic pen.

It was an overall buff for every champion in the role.

I didn't say they were bad, just that I don't like them.

IcyPepper1 votes

I mean, tbf, as a support player you were pressured into rushing sightstone by your teammates even if you don't want to buy it.

Although I really like the three support item actives. I personally hated sightstone as an 800 gold item. I feel like the quests were a good idea, but I'm not sure if the sacrifice of the item actives were a good tradeoff.

Did you like the previous system, or do you think they went about fixing it the wrong way?

Blakiepug1 votes

{quoted}

I mean, tbf, as a support player you were pressured into rushing sightstone by your teammates even if you don't want to buy it.

Although I really like the three support item actives. I personally hated sightstone as an 800 gold item. I feel like the quests were a good idea, but I'm not sure if the sacrifice of the item actives were a good tradeoff.

Did you like the previous system, or do you think they went about fixing it the wrong way?

I did like the old system, quests included (though I liked it even before the introduction of support quests). I actually never used to buy sightstone as support and I wasn't criticized for it during the game as much as you would probably think. I really really really just hope that Face of the Mountain comes back one day as a proper starting item again.

IcyPepper1 votes

I wasn't criticized for it during the game as you would probably think.

Can I have your teammates? Because I faced that attitude quite a bit before if I didn't rush it :/

remakoro2 votes

Buying or not buying sightstone were a choice. You could rush it as first item which happened a lot. Or you could go for something that could give you a bit of an edge on the lane but risk sitting in the dark. Now you cant even make that decision. You going to upgrade your G5 item and you going to finish quest no matter what you do. Cuz thats how you get your free gold. Who gonna pass on that? No one. Same with trinket upgrades and boot upgrades. Riot made all decisions for you. Now you dont have to make them. Or more like... You cant even if you wanted to.

Itemization options keep going through the same thing. Riot just keep robbing people of options. Should i go for AD or for defense? Why not both? item 3026 You dont have to compromise. What? Non-AD champions were buying it as well? Well not our problem. And so on.

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