Probably the worst thing about the new Swain...

ArfBarkBoof·2/11/2018, 11:42:41 PM·61 votes·5,443 views

His Soul Shards have zero impact on how he's played outside of the damage scaling on his ultimate. You would think that for a guy who gains them from enemy deaths, hitting his slow-as-bologna W, or his passive would be able to use them in some meaningful way outside of determining if his ultimate his piss-poor or decent damage. At least with Syndra's orbs you can objectively tell who the better player is based on the ball juggling and management. Swain is just balanced around always having five shards so he can die when team fights happen.

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Cavemantero2/12/2018, 3:14:07 AM27 votes

Riot Logic: Hey, Swain needs an update. People don't like how looks and his kit is outdated. How about we delete him and create a new badass champ who plays kinda like vlad but looks like Count Dooku with some crow shit? That would be great!

Jhobi2/12/2018, 2:01:05 AM13 votes

His W is useless in my opinion

VICKLIUS2/11/2018, 11:46:21 PM6 votes

swain didn't need rework, he just needed an update adjustment, such has having his pass gain him mana or hp based on which is lower based on dmg dealt, q add blind and silence(animation Beatrice pecking interact w/ e for 2x dmg lose silence blind Beatrice animation beam), e aoe "WHILE marked dmg to swain is reduced by 20%, and if target DIES furture dmg is increased by 5%,& if target kills swain their future dmg to swain is reduced by 5%"increase range so can lead w/ it w when snare enemy champ gain ms, 10sec cd all ranks R when hit send out another raven at attacker(increase mana cost/for current mana cost) to counter that he can only send one every other second

YuGiHo2/12/2018, 2:52:33 AM6 votes

the ult is definitely the worst hing about him. Requiring a shard to cast it, the delay/ lockout animation when u do cast it, upon casting it having to charge up takes too long to even have access to r2 before people just walk out of it since nothing is stopping them from doing so, r2 auto cast at the end of his ult duration but casing it as soon as u can ends the hp drain part.

why am i loosing that part of my ult if i successfully manage to drain enough hp with all the restrictions already on the ult? its like being punished for doing what the champion is supposed to do.

hitting 6 feels bad. lv 1-5 i have worked to acquire the max soul shards so i should be at the peak of my power but im a solo laner vs another solo laner so the realistically i will never drain enough hp to r2 a mid before they manage to run back under tower an i wont manage to r2 any melee tops before they just kill me for getting too close as a squishy mage with just +150 hp from ult at rank 1.

the shards should honestly do more than be demon flares damage modifier. they could increase the rate of hp he drains or increase his max hp from ult or increase his healing from just obtaining further soul shards or give him a stacking magic damage on hit effect on his autos to make him more threatening within his auto attack range or increase w cast speed/damage/radius.

My point is the shards can do more than what they do but honestly should do something entirely different to make the champion more cohesive. Also these are just issues i have experienced and seen with his ult, i dont feel like talking about the rest of his kit right now.

Pommel Knight2/12/2018, 1:59:51 AM5 votes

I just feel like his passive should do % hp dmg. Of all champions that should % hp dmg its Swain with his passive, you are literary ripping parts of peoples souls.

DragonShea2/12/2018, 12:53:34 AM5 votes

I wouldn't mind seeing his soul shards increasing his damage and hp regen until he uses his ult.

Daxsx2/12/2018, 1:06:54 AM4 votes

Worse than having to rely on a relatively slow and unreliable spell (E), that's not only hard to hit/easy to dodge if they're at the edge of your (low) range but also on someone in your face since it only CCs on return, to land almost all of your burst (W is virtually impossible to land w/o root/stun and to get the most out of shotgun Q)? I'd say being a short ranged burst mage with much of his CC and damage being unreliable is the worst part when you aren't even rewarded more than the average short ranged burst mage for actually landing your unreliable spells.

Sõna2/12/2018, 4:22:29 AM4 votes

Have you guys noticed that, whenever there's Swain in game, FPS is significantly affected..

Spoofghoul2/12/2018, 8:18:42 PM4 votes

for a short ranged mage he needs too much stuff to function

you need the mana to keep casting just 1 mana item barely makes it manageable You need to be beefy since you are short ranged sure has good ap ratio's but you still need the ap to actually hurt You want cdr his Q is short cd but you kinda need more then your Q

It's like you need to buy 5 items before you can start functioning i find this new swain awkward at best

AetherArising2/12/2018, 3:27:00 AM3 votes

Yeah... they screwed the pooch. Either he has 1 shard and is dead weight, or has 5 and can carry the game just by being slightly ahead and ulting at the right time. It's so flimsy and volitile, it's like the state of assassins. Hot garbage, or a bit too strong.

zaire902/12/2018, 5:09:55 AM3 votes

1st time I played the dude I kept reading the passive to see if the shards did anything else and thought I was going crazy when I didnt see anything

Jackom12/12/2018, 2:47:24 PM2 votes

I too think that souls hards should have a use outside of the ultimate

Meep Man2/12/2018, 1:13:13 AM2 votes

They also heal him, although that doesn't have to do with the Soul Shards after being collected. I don't see why this matters though. It's a form of skill expression that rewards you for landing your Ws and Es by making your ultimate be much more high impact.

Carnicore2/12/2018, 2:26:23 PM2 votes

Yeah stacking soul fragments feels pointless, their only real purpose is healing.

Wert the Wacky2/13/2018, 5:40:59 AM1 votes

New Swain is my favorite champ ever by far.

Battousaient8/16/2018, 7:29:51 PM1 votes

Just getting back into league, Swain.... why. used to be one of my fave champions. Could he have used an artwork update maybe. But..... this is not to me swain is just a crazy looking Vlad now, no more birdman. RIP can i get my skins money back? lol like don't really need them anymore... what a waste. Shame

Illâoi Evê Siôn2/12/2018, 3:12:26 AM1 votes

They're a better power gating tool than just Cooldown Reduction and offer skill expression on a larger scale than just second to second decision making.

5050BS2/12/2018, 8:32:02 PM1 votes

I was hoping that as he collected souls he would get stronger but nope.

It ONLY plays in that you need ONE to use your ult and scale the blast at the end that often does nothing.

ChaddyFantome2/12/2018, 9:14:20 PM1 votes

New Swain is a Support now :T