Getting the kill as support.

Xela Syab·Nov 23, 2016·42 votes·4,222 views

When I first started playing league, I'd feel bad for ksing. Now I'm like, "sweet now I got gold for vision and utility items so I can protect my team"

46 Comments

Nameless VoiceNov 23, 201610 votes

The way I see it, when I play support I am giving up all the cs for my marksman. The marksman scales better than me with gold, so they can have that sweet farm. However, I don't agree that all the kills belong to them. If there's a fight, I'm fighting with everything I've got and trying to get that enemy dead. I've seen too many times when a kill has been lost, or worse, an ally killed because someone held back to give someone else the kill. The advantage that the marksman gets from that kill is more free farming time to get more of those minions that I'm giving up, and potentially objectives. It's not as if the support getting an extra 150g is a bad thing. Supports scale with money too. A fed support not be as scary for the enemy team as a fed carry, but they'll still be much better at helping their team, be it through damage, stronger shields, better heals, more vision, greater utilIty, or just being tanky enough to stay in a fight for longer.

tl;dr: if I'm playing support, I'm giving up my share of cs for someone else. I'm not giving up kill participation unless it's absolutely guaranteed. If you want the kill credit, earn it.

Xela SyabNov 23, 20163 votes

Trundle This is why I love playing this guy.

Supreme Senpai69Nov 24, 20161 votes

I absolutely love when ADCs cry "KS!" when the jungler comes to gank and the support gets the kill because half the time in my games the ADCs don't even get an assists in those scenarios. Like, cool stay under your tower and CS while we're getting a gank but don't cry KS when you don't get the kill.

It rustles mah jimmies man.

It Hertz When IPNov 24, 20161 votes

Only times when I hold back is during 2v2 or 2v1 skirmishes when the enemy is extremely low, my ally is extremely safe, and they have the tools to finish them off. Otherwise bring out the sandwich rolls, 'cause I'm going full ham.

Tyrone LannisterNov 23, 20166 votes

Hell ye just dont go out of your way to KS every single kill

RalanrNov 23, 201620 votes

If I KS it's either accidental or my carry is dead and the opponent is about to die. Sadly trying to give my carry the kill can either lead to be accidentally taking it or them escaping.

Better to secure than nothing at all.

Tyrone LannisterNov 23, 20164 votes

True but when playing draven and im sitting on 400 stacks thanks to the KS gods, you know im running it down mid. Jk i love being the assist lord kappa

XidphelNov 23, 20169 votes

If Draven does it, it ain't KSing.

It Hertz When IPNov 24, 20163 votes

Every kill that Draven doesn't get, he let you have.

Even in games where there is no Draven.

Even if Draven's on the enemy team.

VesemirNov 23, 20162 votes

there is no such thing as KS. This is a teamgame. I suggest you lose that attitude ;)

SteelflameNov 24, 20162 votes

No, there is such thing as KSing. Blowing important cooldowns to "secure" a kill from your team is KSing. Example would be me, as Sona, using my ult on the 200 hp support to steal it when they were already set to die (Malz E+Ignite, no defensive CDs up), while I could have landed a 4 man ult and saved the teamfight, but not getting the kill. Or me using my ignite to over-ride a teammate's ignite right after they placed it on the enemy, just to ensure I got the kill.

ShaolinToiletNov 24, 20161 votes

Why does Sona ks so much with q and ults

SteelflameNov 24, 20161 votes

Some Sonas get a very carry mindset if they get ahead. Which, to be fair, is pretty valid, as they can easily turn into the top damage member of the team if they get a lead. The reason they don't go mid is due to shitty solo laning (0 waveclear) and it waste about a third of her kit's power in the aura/team benefits for the laning phase. If Sona gets set up, she has around a 2.0 AP ratio on her AAQPowercord with Lichbane, which results in people getting deleted. She can legit solo carries if she herself builds damage heavy, with so much of the damage up front that if she didn't kill them, the rest of her team may just finish them off with stray AoE.

Also, her damage peaks at level 9 for the most part as far as levels needed, as the rest is just ult ranks, which isn't that hard to reach 9.

ShaolinToiletNov 24, 20162 votes

I know she can solo carry but it seems like most sonas I get spam buttons getting them kills then 25 mins in the game start getting caught by everything.

SteelflameNov 24, 20161 votes

I can't see your rank to decide what your average expectation of team mates are, but I'd say you're in a lowish elo. Low elo people often have rather massive problems with positioning. Combo that with playing practically the squishiest champion in the game, who has in the past literally been squishier than caster minions.... well. You got a recipe for a bad game. A bad Sona is stupid easy to get a pick on, because you are pretty much always going to get close to a "1 shot" on her if you land a combo.

Done25Nov 24, 20161 votes

This I can actually agree with. I had a Vel'Koz blow his R, and thus causing us to badly lose an upcoming team fight without it, to steal a kill with 5% HP left that had ZERO chance of escape. We did not win that game.

M1NISHNov 24, 20161 votes

hehe xd

Xela SyabNov 23, 20161 votes

Usually it's a weak 60 damage auto attack that does it. Heck when I play Karma my mantra q seems to the do the right amount of damage for my adc to follow up. Then when I get that sweet gold I try to decide on item 3060 or item 3512 to carry the game in my own way.

JQKAndreiNov 23, 20161 votes

I had a game where I was adc, the enemy botlane dives us, I kill one, I die. My support baits the other guy into diving him, he doesn't touch him and I get the double kill.

Glory ln DeathNov 23, 20161 votes

If I KS, it's either unintentional (my shield popped) or my carry is likely to die if I don't. I don't know how many times my carry has raged at me for getting the kill when they are sitting under 50 health...

SaltyHasakiNov 5, 20181 votes

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Hell ye just dont go out of your way to KS every single kill

Unless they are dumb or make you mad in which case steal those kills and emote on em

Tyrone LannisterNov 5, 20181 votes

Bro..... do you have that much free time?

IA9hRfpP5qNov 23, 20166 votes

After many years under the item 2045 slavestone IT IS TIME TO RISE AND CLAIM OUR GOLD.

ChaddyFantomeNov 23, 20161 votes

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After many years under the slavestone IT IS TIME TO RISE AND CLAIM OUR GOLD.

DAMN STR8! item 3504 Lulu

VoidBorn13Nov 23, 20166 votes

More like: "Sweet my dipshit ADC didn't reset their gold."

kamikazephyrNov 23, 20165 votes

The concept of ksing is what made supporting toxic in the past and honestly every time my adc complains about it I just instamute and report

Need gold? Learn how to farm

EschetonNov 23, 20164 votes

Yup! And it´s even better if you happen to be a carry support.

Maximum MordeNov 23, 20164 votes

I KS everything I can get my hands on. I've flash ulted with Morgana just to steal a kill when the last auto attack was already in the air lol.

It Hertz When IPNov 24, 20163 votes

This is why we can't have nice things.

Done25Nov 23, 20163 votes

In a recent game I somehow ended up getting most of the kills as a Support Alistar and my team was getting more than a little upset. In a following 2v2 fight at bottom I engage the enemy with my Ashe and near instantly kill the enemy Thresh. All I have to do is land my empowered E strike to finish him, but I don't want to irritate my team anymore so I hit Draven instead. Thresh then flashes away after throwing down his lantern and they both escape.

This is a perfectly good reason of why KSing isn't kill stealing, it's kill SECURING.

SSShutTheDuckUpNov 23, 20162 votes

Zyra : Now item 2301 I item 3151 can item 3116 support item 3135 my item 3165 team item 3089

6SfoolNov 24, 20162 votes

Agreed. If I get the kill I don't really care anymore. I apologize if it was not just to secure the kill, but unless it denies my adc from getting bf sword, I could probably make better use of the gold. As braum especially if I get first blood, I can go twice as aggro and hand so many more kills to the adc. They forget about losing a kill when they're 10-0.

A Curious FrogNov 24, 20162 votes

It's different for me as I'm a silver shitter.....but I take every kill I can get on my lux support. I've seen waaayyyy to many adc's have no idea what to do with their lead and just try to 1v4/5 instead. But again...... I'm only in the silver shitter league.

OglafNov 23, 20161 votes

It is super-easy to accidentally get a kill as Braum since his Q scales with his Health, so you'll do surprisingly much damage with it without picking up any offensive items whatsoever.

Like, they are running away and you just want to slow 'em up with it and KABLAM! You kill 'em instead, lol.

Homurà AkemìNov 23, 20161 votes

No, of course not. Yes, sometimes as a support main I'll have the most kills, other times I'll just be no kills and full assists. Your role as a "support" isn't loyalty to the ADC, it's to the team. Anytime an enemy is getting away and you feel you can secure the kill, take it. If you know they can get the kill, back off. Anytime I doubt my teams capability to secure the kill, I'll go to take it; that's the only time supports should get kills. If you support the right way, your gold should be no less than 500 away from the laner you start supporting.

SGT Dingle BerryNov 23, 20161 votes

Most teammates don't care or listen to reason when the supp gets a kill. Unless the supp straight up waits to ult for the KS or something along those lines it's not hard to accidentally get the last hit.

Too many people watch LCS and think their SoloQ team needs to feed them. Don't ask me to let you get solo turret gold jerk off, I don't know you and have no interest in putting my faith in you! Or when a carry runs by and last hits the junglers monster as if the jungler doesn't need gold too.

CookyPrinceNov 23, 20161 votes

Sona Great, now I can buy lichbane. If Sona players could talk

Ariel the CruelNov 23, 20161 votes

I Always apologize for KSing. Sincere or not. I prefer to give the ADC the kill when I can.

Unless I am 100% certain the ADC will get the kill and not die immediately afterwards, I will make every reasonable effort to ensure the enemy champion's death. Including KS.

And, although rare, If I am certain my fed ADC will die killing an enemy champion that's notably behind without situational benefit, I will save the enemy champion to peel our ADC. Their 50 gold is not worth giving the entire enemy team 500.

Valhalla RisingNov 23, 20161 votes

Athenes LuluNov 23, 20161 votes

And plus, as long as your carries are farmed up to get damage they can easily take all those kills back, unless they are very unlucky or bad.

Even if they are "snowball reliant", sharing a few kills with the support sometimes gives a much greater advantage than having just the ADC take kills all the time.

RainbowIceeNov 24, 20161 votes

Ugh I immediately buy tank items because everyone and their mother is all up on my ass. ADC get's an S and fed, mid get's and S and fed jg get's an S and fed. I get a shit B because these bullies are always killing me and throwing the game because of it. Sure this is a good thing for the team, but screw the team i wanna play too not just watch the death screen.

TotadoriFeb 29, 20201 votes

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Ugh I immediately buy tank items because everyone and their mother is all up on my ass. ADC get's an S and fed, mid get's and S and fed jg get's an S and fed. I get a shit B because these bullies are always killing me and throwing the game because of it. Sure this is a good thing for the team, but screw the team i wanna play too not just watch the death screen.

you get an s as a support depending on how much you helped your team, not your kda.

PaladinNONov 24, 20161 votes

Will explain my following statement. I take whatever kill I can in the game...but not deliberately at the expense of a teammate.

As support, I usually play Nami. My W heals bounce. Shit happens. I don't care. My ADC is alive, and an enemy is not. I don't even think of the extra gold - I just think "now my ADC can have an easier time farming for a moment".

But I will deliberately Flash + Splash (W) to get a kill if that's what is required to make an enemy dead, and I see for sure our ADC cannot reach to get the kill. If we chase, I'm like "can you get him? can you get him? can you get him? no? okay, fuck it! [Flash kill]". So it's not something I do lightly.

I tried AP Nami in a normal game about a month ago, just to try emphasizing that Heal/splash kill potential for fun.

Not to turn this into a thread about the incomprehensible mastery rating system, but it didn't go so well. http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1545934411/201309331?tab=stats

Stat-wise, it went very well. But, well, the rating was unexpected. ~30 minute game, 6 CS, score 4/1/10 (my ADC 6/0/6), 33 wards placed.

B+ rating.

deadlychuckNov 24, 20161 votes

Honestly, if the support is making plays, either turning fights or initiating well, i gladly give them the kill when i'm playing ADC. The reasoning is pretty simple.

They get a spike in gold to keep them caught up and making more plays. I get free farm, putting me ahead in gold and allowing me to still reach that snowball threshold before their ADC (which is the core goal of bot lane). Even if i'm 0/1/4 with all the kills on the support, I'll be sure to use that time to get a 30-40 CS lead, which when combine with the assist gold is about the same, if not more with a really good lead in CS, than if i had gotten the kills myself.

Note, this is coming from a support main. Granted i really haven't taken the game seriously in a long time, because let's be honest it's become a joke of a game at this point.

Wadud92Nov 24, 20161 votes

If enemy flash is down, if ADC if their heal is down AND if I have CD on an ability to gap close/cc I.e Leona E then I will wait for someone else to kill. If those conditions are not met I will KS; kill secure