Riot Please Stop Gutting Kindred

Existential Bard·Jul 1, 2016·4 votes·1,274 views

Riot, lately I have noticed numerous nerfs to the Champion . At present, I find them to be COMPLETELY unplayable. They are basically the new Khazix (before he got his buffs). If she doesn't get ahead she fails to offer ANYTHING except for free kills to the enemy team. I just played a Hexakill match with Kindred and found it completely frustrating. I understand at higher tier play she can wreck, but that doesn't seem balanced when the majority of players are not that tier. (There is a reason ban phase exists.) I also know that there is constant talk of balance, yet I am not seeing any in that can literally ONE SHOT a player now that he doesn't have to worry about last hitting with his Q. It's broken and not balanced, but yet he is there. Please Riot give Kindred some love please.

11 Comments

MorthandJul 2, 20162 votes

Have you guys even seen their win rate? They are literally the lowest win rate jungler above platinum. Yeah she could bully early, but they had to in order to get her marks that appear IN THE ENEMY JUNGLE. Now if you even attempt early marks you can be 1v1'd by nearly every jungler. They said this nerf was to balance kiting in the jungle because people who could not kite very well ended up with no health versus those who could kite well would be at full. The nerf NOW REQUIRES YOU TO KITE EVEN MORE. Like I understand if that is their reasoning for it, but in order to balance it, change a mechanic that actually requires you to KITE LESS. I mean it's almost like they wanted to do the complete opposite of make it easier for people who can't kite in the jungle. These nerfs absolutely ruined them, and they need a change.

Dominick DestineJul 2, 20161 votes

She deserved each and every gutting.

cute irelia gfJul 2, 20161 votes

Mobility, shits on melee, lvl 2 cheese Garen teed, %damage, sustain, ranged, tryndamere aoe ult.

Needs more nerfs i think.

PnakoticJul 2, 20161 votes

Sustain ?

AcidTheWarlockJul 2, 20161 votes

% HP damage on AAs. I think they're fine just from that piece of kit.

MigYalleJul 2, 20161 votes

Hexakill isn't very good for judging champions, I would say someone like Nasus (who also needs to build up stacks) would suffer just as much as you did. Kindred is in a good spot right now, if you fail to use the champion correctly than you'll fail to get your message across, A champion doesn't become unplayable when everyone can't play that champion, a champion becomes unplayable when it's grossly overpowered and frequently banned or is just a extremely weak tier, and Kindred is not either of those for sure. The comparison to the gutting of Kha'Zix, I still played Kha'Zix after the nerfs, a shadow of his former self, but nonetheless he could still dominate given the opportunity and depending on the team composition, Kindred is still strong, and with the changes to her W easily can sustain herself in the jungle with proper kiting.

PnakoticJul 2, 20162 votes

Good spot ? Are you kidding ? top trash tier jungle now, not sure if call this a good spot lol.

Yeah you can sustain IN JUNGLE, but beside that you have nothing.

MigYalleJul 2, 20161 votes

Kindred is supposed to ramp up, She isn't meant to dominate the game 24/7, No champion is, Most champions are designed for Early, Mid, Late, Early-mid, mid-late game. Her early game had her at full HP at all times, making her available to gank throughout all periods of the match, Even when champions that would normally have full health couldn't gank cause of lack of items, she had the base damages + slow to gank in that situation with near-full HP. Most Kindred build a Botrk too, You gain more than enough sustain with the Machete for the jungle, and the Botrk outside the jungle. Keep in mind, Just cause a champion isn't dominating as hard as it used to, doesn't mean it isn't top tier. Exmaple: Lee Sin.

PnakoticJul 2, 20162 votes

your game is finish before blade of the ruined king (if you make this early your totaly wrong)

Isn't a top tier anymore.

With Kindred, if her earlygame is this weak, her lategame will newer come (it's a real probleme)

1-You need mark to be effectiv all the game and more late game 2-If you're early game is weak = no mark = no dueling, cause you die to much ( Twitch or Kog'maw jungle is more relevant than Kindred ) 3-Riot want Kindred to be a hypercarry late with mark (refer to probleme 1),if you don't have the right tool for this, the rest of the gameplay become irrelevant.

Kindred gameplay turn around the hunting mark (you can't just farm to be good like other hypercaary)

MigYalleJul 3, 20161 votes

I just don't think your seeing the thing she is supposed to be, She is supposed to be a jungler, which is more than what you think it is, She's focused around getting her marks, which include the ones that are NOT on champions, Riot even explained the order the marks could spawn in so you should prepare yourself for the marks knowing and clearing the correct camps for it to spawn for you. You'll get stacks by doing these things as well as gold. That's also where your wrong, You CAN farm to be good like a hyper carry if you just stop farming at the correct times.

Faerie of ShadowJul 7, 20162 votes

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Kindred is supposed to ramp up, She isn't meant to dominate the game 24/7, No champion is, Most champions are designed for Early, Mid, Late, Early-mid, mid-late game. Her early game had her at full HP at all times, making her available to gank throughout all periods of the match, Even when champions that would normally have full health couldn't gank cause of lack of items, she had the base damages + slow to gank in that situation with near-full HP. Most Kindred build a Botrk too, You gain more than enough sustain with the Machete for the jungle, and the Botrk outside the jungle. Keep in mind, Just cause a champion isn't dominating as hard as it used to, doesn't mean it isn't top tier. Exmaple: Lee Sin.

You say this, but i went from an S - A rank kindred to a C - B (rarely A)
no balance whatsoever after the last Nerf it's like falling behind with Rivan... you probably wont catch back up till Late Game when everyone has full build... Especially now that you really cant duel that well against other champions when your going for your mark... i Understand a little nerf... But this is too far, before the nerf kindred could still be easily assassinated... now theirs no defence, little heal factor... 0% early game.... mid game only if you got lucky in the early and Late game is rather average.

Went From High tier... to low tier in one fell swoop Sad... my favorite champ goes from great to trash in so little time