Udyr Early game Dragon clear is Way to safe.

Halodjin Tyr·Apr 18, 2019·3 votes·1,688 views

Udyr can solo dragon way too Early without any real consequence I don't like it. when you compare him to Evelynn, it's just no contest for Jg objectives.

17 Comments

what you deserveApr 18, 20195 votes

he also can't gank as well as evelynn so this here is what you call "a tradeoff"

DontLewdOriannaApr 18, 20192 votes

Evelynn ganks are pretty bad until lv 6,

AlzonApr 18, 20192 votes

While Udyr ganks gain nothing at level 6

DontLewdOriannaApr 18, 20191 votes

"nothing" except even more damage. Its not about who gains what at 6.

Z3SleeperApr 18, 20192 votes

That’s uh... exactly what it’s about.

It’s the trade-off for not gaining an ultimate.

DontLewdOriannaApr 18, 20191 votes

Yeah uh, except its not lmfao. You cant compare champs based on what they do and don't gain at lv 6. Is twitch a better jungler than eve because he gets stealth early and damage + range at lv 6. No, thats not what its about.

Z3SleeperApr 18, 20192 votes

That’s literally exactly how you can compare them.

Also where did that heavy (and very incorrect) strawman come from?

Anyway, lets go over what a comparison is: diff between x vs y.

Udyr + Eve pre6 = bad early ganks Udyr = good dragon clear but bad ganks Eve = good post-6 ganks but bad dragon clear

Thus we can assume the trade-off for Udyr’s still pretty bad post 6 ganks is his dragon clear while Eve’s trade-off for bad dragon clear is better post 6 ganks.

Oh look a comparison based on what people gained at level 6! Wowzers!

DontLewdOriannaApr 18, 20191 votes

Good job, you compared.. something? But not what they gain at lv 6, specifically. Nice try tho. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Z3SleeperApr 18, 20191 votes

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Good job, you compared.. something? But not what they gain at lv 6, specifically.

Yes and actually yes I did (not super specifically). I'll go one more step into specifics for you then.

At level 6:

Udyr = no significant new tool. Eve = very significant new tool that increases gank potential.

Thus the level 6 comparison that is being made is that Eve is gaining a significant new tool at level 6 while Udyr is not.

Thus this:

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You cant compare champs based on what they do and don't gain at lv 6.

is a false statement.

MoonscourgeApr 18, 20192 votes

Meanwhile over half the jungle roster can solo dragon at minute 6.

Meteora707Apr 18, 20192 votes

"I don't like the fact that this champion has 1 advantage over my champion", well guess what, that's how balance works.

Halodjin TyrApr 18, 20191 votes

My biggest complaint is Yeah I can solo dragon but when I do it I'm seriously injured, a lot of the Junglers just shrug that off that damage as if it's not happening, it would be Nice if my W Reduced incoming Monster Damage so I could jg Compete objectives.

WarpesApr 18, 20191 votes

you're playing evelyn, and complaining that an 'actually' meta OBJECTIVE controlling/farm jg can take out dragon easier than you.

stop playing assassin, gank junglers if you're concerned about this. that's literally the downside to your pick, and your own fault for picking it

Vulkus IApr 18, 20191 votes

I bet you don't care that Nunu can do it too.

Halodjin TyrApr 18, 20191 votes

Oh I do, nunu is the worst offender, that same with Duel smites.

Halodjin TyrApr 18, 20191 votes

what I don't understand is why you don't feel Evelynn should be Meta ?

Chembaron YamadaApr 18, 20191 votes

Except she is? She is fairly strong right now and has been for a really long time.

Just because Evelynn can't exceed at literally everything a jungler does, doesn't mean she isn't meta. Yeah, there are champions which can clear dragons more easily than Evelynn like Udyr, Nunu, Warwick, etc. But Evelynn has alot of other benefits for herself. It's a trade off. You get to exceed at stuff other champions don't, but to make this fair you have to be worse than other champions at something else.