Looking up Skarner on op.gg, and this happened

Predatorator·Feb 7, 2019·6 votes·4,651 views

Can we do something to help the guy please?

25 Comments

Tahminatrix Feb 7, 20195 votes

The item 3053 change to give bonus ad instead of base ad just because it synergized with item 3078 WRECKED skarner.

Not only does skarner mainly use that combo, his abilities SCALE WITH TOTAL AD (base + bonus) AND RIOT NEVER COMPENSATED HIM.

Other champions wernt hit so hard since the change to bonus ad meant it would scale on their abilities, but it already did on skarner, so all that change did was cause him to lose out on the extra damage to trinity which was literally his core item.

Ive been saying this since they made that change to steraks and ill keep saying it, skarner is still waiting for compensation to a massive nerf to late game dueling power, hes one of the weakest junglers earlier in the game and he is supposed to scale into a juggernaut like champ, the only thing keeping him alive is his R which is a single target suppression that the enemy support will always build item 3222 against.

PredatoratorFeb 7, 20194 votes

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The change to give bonus ad instead of base ad just because it synergized with WRECKED skarner.

Not only does skarner mainly use that combo, his abilities SCALE WITH TOTAL AD (base + bonus) AND RIOT NEVER COMPENSATED HIM.

Other champions wernt hit so hard since the change to bonus ad meant it would scale on their abilities, but it already did on skarner, so all that change did was cause him to lose out on the extra damage to trinity which was literally his core item.

Agreed. Not to mention the removal of the conversion ms to ad in celerity. That was a really heavy hit for skarner.

Critmaster GarenFeb 8, 20191 votes

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Agreed. Not to mention the removal of the conversion ms to ad in celerity. That was a really heavy hit for skarner.

i absolutely hate the change of steraks from base ad to bonus ad.

now all the hypermobile champions that are supposted to be squishier than juggernauts build it and become almost as tanky as them.

you see champions like fiora, yasuo, irelia, jax, and other mobile champions with steraks in their core build, because it feeds into their bonus ad scaling abilities. steraks gage was specifically made with a base ad increase to prevent this.

they need to revert this change and then change sheen and its upgrades to decouple it from base ad, instead of fucking with steraks.

PredatoratorFeb 8, 20191 votes

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i absolutely hate the change of steraks from base ad to bonus ad.

now all the hypermobile champions that are supposted to be squishier than juggernauts build it and become almost as tanky as them.

you see champions like fiora, yasuo, irelia, jax, and other mobile champions with steraks in their core build, because it feeds into their bonus ad scaling abilities. steraks gage was specifically made with a base ad increase to prevent this.

they need to revert this change and then change sheen and its upgrades to decouple it from base ad, instead of fucking with steraks.

I appreciate that they wanted to broaden the users, but these Champions also got several tools to fare in a teamfight anyways. This change just gave them another tool to survive while still doing damage, while once again damaging skarner

Critmaster GarenFeb 8, 20192 votes

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I appreciate that they wanted to broaden the users, but these Champions also got several tools to fare in a teamfight anyways. This change just gave them another tool to survive while still doing damage, while once again damaging skarner

they didnt want to broaden the users.

the reason they did the change was, because steraks and triforce synergized too strongly with each other, and triforce generated some crazy powerful sheen procs with the base ad increase from steraks.

they just wanted to reduce the interaction between those two items. i doubt it was ever intended that non juggernauts use the item as effective as juggers.

the problem is that they balanced trigage interaction from the wrong end, and they should have reworked sheen scaling instead of steraks gage.

PredatoratorFeb 8, 20191 votes

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they didnt want to broaden the users.

the reason they did the change was, because steraks and triforce synergized too strongly with each other, and triforce generated some crazy powerful sheen procs with the base ad increase from steraks.

they just wanted to reduce the interaction between those two items. i doubt it was ever intended that non juggernauts use the item as effective as juggers.

the problem is that they balanced trigage interaction from the wrong end, and they should have reworked sheen scaling instead of steraks gage.

Probably. Sure thing is that It could've done better. That combo made ad skarner more legittimato, and gave him alternatives to become a tanky ult bot. I didn't even know It that interation was such a problem!

Critmaster GarenFeb 8, 20191 votes

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I appreciate that they wanted to broaden the users, but these Champions also got several tools to fare in a teamfight anyways. This change just gave them another tool to survive while still doing damage, while once again damaging skarner

the way id do it is something like this:

25% total ad + 5 damage/lvl (40% reduced for ranged)

25% total ad + 10 damage/lvl (40% recuced for ranged)

10% armor+mr + 5 damage/lvl (40% reduced for ranged)

50% ap + 5 damage/lvl

and revert item 3053 to a base ad increase.

then also make item 3022 item 3748 increase base ad instead of bonus ad so they become less effective damage items on mobile skirmishers.

add item 3005 with a base ad increase to the game.

the entire idea is, that one of those items would still be an effective defensive item on champions like Fiora Irelia Camille Yasuo Jax and others, but stacking them would cut into these champions damage, because base ad doesnt affect their abilities.

slower juggernauts, and skarner (since he doesnt count as a jugger anymore), still have a lot of total ad scalings in their kits, hence why these items would be more effective on them, compared to most mobile fighters.

PredatoratorFeb 8, 20191 votes

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the way id do it is something like this:

and revert to a base ad increase.

then also make increase base ad instead of bonus ad so they become less effective damage items on mobile skirmishers.

add with a base ad increase to the game.

the entire idea is, that one of those items would still be an effective defensive item on champions like and others, but stacking them would cut into these champions damage, because base ad doesnt affect their abilities.

slower juggernauts, and skarner (since he doesnt count as a jugger anymore), still have a lot of total ad scalings in their kits, hence why these items would be more effective on them, compared to most mobile fighters.

I don't know about the maths of this, but i like the direction, and i agree

ShahamutFeb 17, 20192 votes

Can we talk about how Skarner's passive is actually garbage and needs changed first?

PredatoratorFeb 18, 20191 votes

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Can we talk about how Skarner's passive is actually garbage and needs changed first?

That's common knowledge, and i too want It to be changed, or improved at least. But skarner is the most neglected champion right now, so i'm looking for quicker and effective solutions before big gameplay changes

Sire HippingtonFeb 7, 20194 votes

same for trundle, and both are in that state for serveral patches now...

PredatoratorFeb 8, 20191 votes

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same for trundle, and both are in that state for serveral patches now...

i know, and i can't answer myself as to why, since trundle looked like a resilient champion, what happened to him? yet balance team keeps only balancing the same 5 champions, some even for months. it's disheartening

Warlord RhinarkFeb 8, 20191 votes

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i know, and i can't answer myself as to why, since trundle looked like a resilient champion, what happened to him? yet balance team keeps only balancing the same 5 champions, some even for months. it's disheartening

It's the sad reality when you have an unpopular champion that few people play.

PredatoratorFeb 8, 20191 votes

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It's the sad reality when you have an unpopular champion that few people play.

you're right. But improving these champions would be so beneficial to them. making them cooler, would mean making them more profitable. and more champions to profit from, the better. more champions to do skins for, which sparks interest and keeps the skin content from being stagnant and exclusive, if not the overall game. i'm optimistic because right now they're working on morde, so hopefully champs in his state will get more interest too

Fear the KaynFeb 8, 20191 votes

Wasn’t he super popular and strong like a year ago? What happened?

PredatoratorFeb 8, 20191 votes

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Wasn’t he super popular and strong like a year ago? What happened?

nerf to celerity, nerf to sterak's, rework to unsealed spellbook, jungle changes that favored early gankers, all changes that favored his competition, while damaging him.

Modl Ryden lFeb 8, 20191 votes

Corki was like that too at one point. I think he still might be greyed out with a 'RIP' instead of tier number.

PredatoratorFeb 8, 20191 votes

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Corki was like that too at one point. I think he still might be greyed out with a 'RIP' instead of tier number.

Corki is like trundle, how did this happen to such a resilient champion?

LemonfaaceFeb 8, 20191 votes

Gnar ;_;

Critmaster GarenFeb 8, 20192 votes

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;_;

he can fuck off until he gets reworked. this one single champion negates half of the top lane roster when hes viable.

PredatoratorFeb 8, 20191 votes

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he can fuck off until he gets reworked. this one single champion negates half of the top lane roster when hes viable.

LemonfaaceFeb 9, 20192 votes

His pick rate was so low last season, but he kept getting nerfed for pro play... Now he’s just dead in the water. I don’t mind him getting reworked, but I wanna play him. ;_;

PredatoratorFeb 18, 20191 votes

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His pick rate was so low last season, but he kept getting nerfed for pro play... Now he’s just dead in the water. I don’t mind him getting reworked, but I wanna play him. ;_;

Sorry, i did not get notified of your comment! You're right. He was actually ok when the stun duration got longer, he got a bit of spotlight and then bam!