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Faction wars : A way to enchance competitive gameplay.

P R I S M Corp··48 votes·3,891 views

Hello fellow summoners !

I made a post about a new faction system that could be implemented in League of Legends !

At first, I wanted to post it here, but the boards allow a maximum of 4 attachements.

Head here to learn about it. Please give feedback and ideas !

50 Comments

CupcakeTrap13 votes

Irony-free opening comment: a community version of this started a year ago. It's going strong, and you can come play anytime. We're about to start a new arc. Vote here for which factions you'd like to be featured next.

Hmm. A Factions system, you say. Where "winning factions could influence the lore in different ways (much like the Ionia versus Noxus rematch)"? That's interesting. So, for example, the storyline could play out based on how the factions do against one another? I found your suggestion of a scoreboard quite intriguing. It sounds like an easy-to-understand way to summarize the combined outcomes of many different matches. It sure would be great if something like that existed. ^_-


More seriously: I (obviously) support this concept. I think it's crazy to have a plot the main selling point of which is that it puts the player into the story (as a Summoner) and then not take advantage of that. In-universe, we're supposed to be fighting for the fates of nations on the Fields of Justice; why not let us do that?

There are a few points on which we disagree.

  • You seem to be proposing that faction choice is unrelated to Champion pool. Personally, I think that having faction-specific Champion lists is a big part of what makes Factions work: not only do the teams look more cohesive in-game, but it gives each faction different playstyles.
  • You also seem to be proposing that we just win points from winning Normals. The problem there is that, if we create (say) 10 faction-specific pools of players and try to figure out which faction has the most wins, we're going to end up with a huge tie, because win rates hover around 50% over a large number of matches/players. I think it's more interesting to have faction versus faction matches, so that (e.g.) how well a given faction's community figures out strategies for using their Champion list will influence odds of overall success.

But those are some great images, and I strongly support the basic idea you're expressing.

P R I S M Corp1 votes

Hmm. A Factions system, you say.

Where "winning factions could influence the lore in different ways (much like the Ionia versus Noxus rematch)"? That's interesting. So, for example, the storyline could play out based on how the factions do against one another?

I found your suggestion of a scoreboard quite intriguing. It sounds like an easy-to-understand way to summarize the combined outcomes of many different matches.


More seriously: I (obviously) support this concept. I think it's crazy to have a plot the main selling point of which is that it puts the player into the story (as a Summoner) and then not take advantage of that. In-universe, we're supposed to be fighting for the fates of nations on the Fields of Justice; why not let us do that?

There are a few points on which we disagree.

  • You seem to be proposing that faction choice is unrelated to Champion pool. Personally, I think that having faction-specific Champion lists is a big part of what makes Factions work: not only do the teams look more cohesive in-game, but it gives each faction different playstyles.
  • You also seem to be proposing that we just win points from winning Normals. The problem there is that, if we create (say) 10 faction-specific pools of players and try to figure out which faction has the most wins, we're going to end up with a huge tie, because win rates hover around 50% over a large number of matches/players. I think it's more interesting to have faction versus faction matches, so that (e.g.) how well a given faction's community figures out strategies for using their Champion list will influence odds of overall success.

But those are some great images, and I strongly support the basic idea you're expressing.

About the champion part, what made me choose to not link the picks to the faction points is that each faction have a different number of champions (bilgewater and the void being one of the lowest), meaning that demacia/noxus will always get first place overall.

About a different queue, someone already told me about it. I am still trying to make it function well

CupcakeTrap9 votes

About the champion part, what made me choose to not link the picks to the faction points is that each faction have a different number of champions (bilgewater and the void being one of the lowest), meaning that demacia/noxus will always get first place overall.

So this is an interesting topic. Factions has been running for about a year, and to be honest, we have not noticed a meaningful correlation between roster size and performance. For example, a Void faction ("Discord") completely dominated the third arc against factions with much larger Champion lists.

I can think of reasons why smaller rosters might actually be helpful. For example, a big part of Factions is learning to play your faction's roster effectively. It takes more time to learn a large roster. If you only have 5 or 6 Champions, your community is going to be much faster about figuring out how to play that lineup.

It's sort of like Bruce Lee's quote, about how he'd much rather fight someone who'd practiced one thousand kicks ten times each than fight someone who'd practiced one kick ten thousand times. If it's your 50th game playing the same Void team comp, you're going to know how it works pretty well.

P R I S M Corp3 votes

There was a complete overhaul of the system, check it out !

CupcakeTrap2 votes

Nice! I like the changes. The new version is pretty much how Factions works.

Would you be willing to toss a link to LeagueFactions.net in your OP? I'm kind of wincing at all the people going "oh my gosh if only I could somehow play matches like this" who are unaware that they literally can.

Sort of like with ARAM, which began as a random custom game mode, I think that broad participation in the community version would be a good way to convince Riot to implement something in the client.

P R I S M Corp1 votes

I'm sure that adding a link will actually improve both my post's traffic an LeagueFactions.net one, so reds will have more chance of knowing about the project and people will be willing to join since there is already a system in place.

Is it possible to add a link to LeagueFactions.net about my post ? It would be nice and also gather people up :)

CupcakeTrap1 votes

Sounds reasonable to me!

Here you go: http://leaguefactions.net/2014/08/08/an-independently-created-proposal-for-a-factions-mode-check-it-out/

I've included one of your neat graphics with attribution; I hope that's alright.

P R I S M Corp1 votes

Thanks alot !

Sunfield3 votes

I think it falls under the category; too cool to be implemented

Flintfall1 votes

Ouch

CupcakeTrap3 votes

A community version of this type of game mode has been running for about a year. We're about to head into our next storyline.

You can vote here to decide which factions will be featured next. (We rotate through the factions to facilitate cohesive storylines and to make it easier to organize matches; generally, we have about four available per arc.)

You can read an overview of the storyline created by these matches here.

If you'd like to just dive right in, join the Factions chat and play a match. (Since we're in between arcs right now, all matches are unscored "intermission matches", but they're still fun.)

P R I S M Corp2 votes

Hey guys OP here Thanks for all the support on this, if we keep it up we can get the POTD (post of the day)

PhailRaptor1 votes

Of course that would require Riot acknowledge that their existing Lore is not up to par :x

Whitakker2 votes

I approve of all of this. I'll toot on Factions' horn a bit, since I joined them first. Its getting to the point where I'll jump into most any Factions match going on simply to chill and not worry so much about ragers. I have yet to meet anyone toxic in this community, which is a godsend.

AbiwonKenabi1 votes

I second that. A really friendly community, I've had a lot of fun.

A Riot sanctioned Factions game mode would still be exciting, though!

Hoi Im Temmo1 votes

Is a great idea. Riot pls

PaperMache71 votes

Well made post, +1!

WoodTheChuck1 votes

RITO PLEZ

OblongOtter1 votes

YES! YES! I read it and I would ADORE it!

For Ionia. Irelia

P R I S M Corp1 votes

Ionia is best

OblongOtter2 votes

What exactly is that? I see Karma's twin dragons, but what's up with the tornado tree?

Also yeah, some of my favorite champs are Ionian, Akali Ahri Syndra
Irelia Kennen MasterYi Sona (her parents were most likely Ionian, and she grew up in Ionia) Udyr (he was Ionian before they killed his lore plus SGU learned to be calm in Ionia) Zed Yasuo MonkeyKing (Ehh, he learned Wuju Style from Yi)

Plus I love Japanese culture and am learning Japanese myself.

(Also Sona and Akali were my first mains.)

Oh forgot to mention, I also love Ionia's lore and what Ionia is as a country. Especially if you read things like Riven's lore.

exiledFromBadmen1 votes

Bro, you forgot Syndra

OblongOtter1 votes

Oh crap thanks!

RaptorAttacks1 votes

What is the Icon between the Discord and Shadow Isles?

P R I S M Corp1 votes

Zaun

ChaosThief1 votes

Discord = Shadow Isles and the Void.

TheHarbors Riper1 votes

This seems really interesting, id love to see something like this, even more with the new rift comming.

SonicÐeHedgedawg1 votes

For a moment, I thought this was ACTUALLY happening, and I was excitedJinx

P R I S M Corp1 votes

2k views already we can do this !

thatgirlsarah1 votes

Would you able to change Factions or join multiple?

P R I S M Corp1 votes

Factions reset each week, meaning that you could choose a different one.

It's all explained in the post ^_^

CupcakeTrap2 votes

Every week seems kind of frequent. It seems that would mean that you'd either be churning storylines really rapidly, or else people are able to switch allegiances multiple times within the course of a single storyline/dispute.

For comparison, in Factions, allegiances are fixed for each storyline, each of which lasts about three months.

P R I S M Corp1 votes

For a game mode tho, 3 months seems alot since people will get bored of fighting with the same champions over and over for 3 months.

CupcakeTrap1 votes

This did start to happen in Shon-Xan, which was just Noxus vs. Ionia, but in regular arcs there's actually quite a lot of variety, both in terms of number of Champions per roster and number of possible matchups.

P R I S M Corp1 votes

I'd say that 2 weeks is good 1 is a little short

CupcakeTrap1 votes

It might different for a quickie queue-based game mode. I can't imagine packing a Factions storyline into two weeks.

I'll run a poll of the Factions community about arc length, maybe.

PhailRaptor1 votes

I'd think that Riot wouldn't do a "whole story" over the course of a 2 week period. They would probably do something more along the lines of a single over-arching battle to resolve a conflict as a whole for each 2 weeks.

PhailRaptor1 votes

I like the general concept, however, there is one thing I don't really like. Some champions, despite being "from" a certain region, do not have a City-State allegiance. They are what you'd call "free agents".

For example, Rammus. He was just random armadillo # 214532143 until he got zapped by some kind of wierd bolt of life magic in the Plague Jungles. Does he really have a city-state affiliation? Similarly, I think it's safe to assume that both Vayne and Lucian have "moved on" from their Demacian heritages. They would obviously still be willing to take part in events concerning their birthplaces, particularly since it, like them, stands for justice. But I can't say I would expect them to really have any sense of national pride. Another great point here would be Sivir. She, by all accounts, has no loyalty to anything beyond gold. How would she fit into any particular faction? Nami, Leona/Pant/Diana, the list goes on.

Bottom line, for this system to work, the affiliation of champions would have to be a lot more dynamic than it appears you propose in the other thread. You would have to build on the existing politics in the world, both to allow for the alliances in the Lore (Zaun/Noxus, Piltover/Bangle City), and also account for the champions that, while they may be from somewhere, don't really have a home in the political circles of Runeterra.

CupcakeTrap2 votes

I'm not sure how DarkHaitsu would handle this in their version, but in the existing Factions system, we don't fret too much about some Champions not being part of a faction. Such "free agents" can be worked into plots sometimes on a case-by-case basis, but I don't think it's a fundamental problem if not every Champion is assigned.

You're right about needing to be somewhat flexible, though. Since for the most part Champions fight for whichever nation summons them, most have pretty ambiguous allegiances. Showing how those networks of loyalties and inclinations play out helps keep the story interesting.

Wizard9961 votes

To be fair, in the last arc (Hextech Revolution), there were some obscene roster additions to Piltover, especially considering they also got an alliance with Bandle City that allowed them to pick champions from that roster. Most notable among Piltover's additions being Riven, Rammus, and Nautilus, and they even had the opportunity to pick up Jax. Point being, flexibility is important, but so is staying at least a little true to why a champion should join.

CupcakeTrap1 votes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQkFNVhppXo

But seriously, that's a good example of why "can't Jax and Nidalee and Rengar fight for Demacia they are FREE AGENTS" is problematic. You can make up a plausible story argument for almost anyone, but it looks weird in-game and disrupts the thematic coherence of the faction.

shadwraith991 votes

This is epic, a great way to include players in the lore of League of Legends, I love this idea!!!

im in that void1 votes

I really really love this idea. I really hope this get incorporated into the game somehow! Zilean

SonicÐeHedgedawg1 votes

I want this SO much!

Jenna Blossom1 votes

Sounds like a great idea maybe riot will do something after they figure out the new summoners rift map :) really interesting

Demonsolder211 votes

okay im interested in this and would like to see what riot does with this concept given if they see it you get a summoner 11

GalacticStrike1 votes

FOR PILTOVER!Heimerdinger

Johann171 votes

Riot please! This would so fun!!!

murlocmancer

Riot making a League of Legends MMORPG would be pretty cool. You could pick from all the differenent countries and each one would have a "base" character that you can customize. All the champs would be important NPCs

ChaosThief1 votes

Nothing to do with an MMORPG. Just playing league of legends, while playing the champions in groups based on where they come from.

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