Everyone keeps saying they are the best team at worlds. but as a third seed from korea i dont see how, i dont know the players and they lost 3/0 vs skt and barely beat KZ so i dont understand why everyone keeps saying they are number 1, can anyone explain this too me?
Lost R2 votesMob mentality.
Seriously, don't pay attention to the esports scene. Its fanbase is a cult of conformists.
ForgetMeNotKeanu1 votesThey are definitely the best team in play-ins. Best team at worlds tho?? Nah. Korea is just a strong region. Only time will tell if people are overrating them
Sukishoo1 votesNever heard of em.
GeminiRune1 votesAccounting for recency, the claim for best leaves much to be desired. But to be specific, Damwon is one of the three "new era" teams that took LCK by storm alongside Griffin and Sandbox. Where the notion of best team accounts for is their consistent discussion of being top of the table in a parity driven LCK season.
The keyword here however is "parity." Yes it cannot be ignored of their fallout in the summer playoffs, but "barely beating KZ" shouldn't support the claim as to why they wouldn't be considered a contender. Damwon has incredible skill ceilings per player. But like the other Korean reps including SKT, they harbor a vulnerability that with the right mentality by opponents, they'll flop.
Information aside, who the hell is saying Damwon #1 and isn't being just a wee bit delusional or overconfident?
ChompyWulf1 votesI'm wondering if someone thinks Damwon specifically will benefit most in 9.19 patch and be strongest despite seed. Or OP was hearing analysis of Worlds teams and mistook someone calling them the strongest team in Play-ins as strongest at the whole tournament.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesI've yet to hear anyone say DWG are the "best team at Worlds". Who's saying that? Reddit people or what?
I have heard(myself) that DWG are the 3rd-4th but not 1st. Look at SKT back in 2016 where they got beat by KT Rolster and KT didn't even participate at Worlds that year. Samsung Galaxy couldn't get past the 2nd round of Playoffs by getting swept but yet, they made it to the World Championship Finals twice in 2016 and 2017.
" i dont know the players" "but as a third seed from korea i dont see how"
RyzeRework1 votesive heard it on the rioter shows and iwilldoms show, ive heard it on c9 and tl and g2 world draw, saying they hope they dont get damwon and there the #1 team, and i was confused cause i never heard of them or the players
III BAKURYU III 1 votesI think people are saying DWG are #1 potentially from "Play-Ins" and "Play-Ins" only. If anything, if people think so highly of DWG than they must also think highly of Team Liquid, because they literally play the same style and objective focus.
They are Korean and teams don't want a Korean team in their group because they typically end with a 4.7 wins per year/per team on average since 2014 in groups. 12 out of 15 times a Korean team has ended in 1st place in groups and teams don't want such headache is all.
I've watched Cloud 9's group draw and this is what I understand from such _' Wait, than we don't get Damwon' - Blaber 2.32 ' Group C still has a chance to get Damwon' - Reapered 3.26 ' Wait, so they can still get Damwon? So their group can actually be a group of death'? - Zeyzal 5.51 'Group B looks weaker but if they get Damwon than they aren't that weak' - Licorice 6.14
Here is Team Liquid's group draw mentions of Damwon Gaming 'Damwon is not/such a disgusting team' - Corejj 5.33
I couldn't tell if CoreJJ said 'not' or 'such' a disgusting team'
They are speculating on where Damwon is going and never stated they are #1 or the best team at Worlds once. The only thing I heard that remotely stated that meant anything was (if X group has Damwon than it's not a weak group). In this case Group D has a chance of getting not only IG but also DWG and let's be real...Cloud 9 is the only NA team to ever make it out of groups with a Korean team and Chinese team in the same group. There's a 60% chance you won't make it out if you are Team Liquid if DWG are in Group D.
_SSW/EDG - 2014 SSB/OMG - 2014 SKT/EDG - 2015 KT/OG -2015(LGD didnt' ) SKT/C9 - 2016(IMY didn't) SSG/RNG - 2016 SKT/C9 - 2017(EDG didn't) RNG/SSG -2017 RNG/C9 - 2018(GEN G didn't) KT/EDG - 2018 _
In short these are the Western teams that have made it out of Groups with a LCK and LPL team ( Origen 2015 and Cloud 9 2016, 2017 and 2018) These are the western teams that couldn't do such ( Fnatic 2014 LMQ 2014 H2K 2015 TSM 2015 TSM 2016 G2 2017 Vitality 2018 TL 2018 )
RyzeRework1 votesWhat I was getting out of it was everyone was more worried about damwon than the other teams. Maybe I misheard but it seems like even teams are scared by it but idk
III BAKURYU III 1 votesNah, all good fam. Teams were just worried about where DWG potentially were going is all because close to everyone agrees DWG will advance from the Play-In stage. LCK also has a history of regional teams overperforming at Worlds.
Roþen1 votesA lot of people are hyping Damwon because they have IG previous coach
CurS1VE1 voteshonestly I've watched a lot of LCK and for sure Damwon did good for a newcomer to the LCK and they stopped a surging KZ as well BUT
when I watched the games I felt like the KZ series specifically was pretty awful. KZ was playing really weird, taking weird fights and then they would just lose and it's like wut? If you watch LPL you know those games some times be throw fest and that series wit KZ v DW seemed like i was watching a really shitty LPL game.
I know Damwon had a good regular season and the LCK is for sure competitive and I think they are good but I don't think they are as good as people are making it seem. OFC its just opinion at this point and we won't really know till they get into groups cause they should (along with the other major region playin teams) smash
IDK i think Damwon has a good team but the wins they put up against KZ are just head scratching to me.
TrashCommun1ty1 votesu guys remember when SSG was 3rd seed in season 7 and they won vs both LZ and SKT in worlds? so ...
OHminus1 votes"barely beat KZ" has no context to it. Kingzone placed 7th in summer split but did so with a 9-9 record, and were the best team in Korea before Rift Rivals and especially before their team owners started being assholes to coaching staff and players. KZ made one last hurrah in regional finals and honestly looked scary going into the Damwon series because they handled Afreeca (another team that people thought was dangerous) and Sandbox with ease.
Damwon is easily top 8 at worlds, top 5 might be a stretch. But they're definitely a dark horse with insane mechanical players, which is why so many teams don't want them in their group coming in from the play-in stage.