im getting tired of TSM's baron calls

FrankerX·Mar 23, 2016·2 votes·948 views

the one at iem where doublelift and hauntzer both were almost oom and sven has down at 50% hp now the one last week against NRG where doublelift was at half hp. there was braum corki and gragas in front of him... and he dies to jhin ult... how is that even possible? wtf (and dont ge me started on hauntzer who wasnt even with the team, goes back to base and runs to baron... oh wait when tsm was already dead he teleports in... the next baron fight he teleports to a ward that is so fucking far away again he arrives when the fight is over even tho there was a ward RIGHT IN THE FIGHT im so tired of hauntzer guys he is just non existend he is never there and when he is oom or misspositioned... or sven who just says "fuck it lol i dont wanna smite baron i engage on the enemys!") what the fuck is tsm doing??? they throw every game where they have (almost) 10k lead at baron because they just go and start the baron when half their team is oom or at low hp

if you have 10k lead the enemys are scared of fighting you just go back to base what is happening to tsm? i was never a big tsm fan but now i am because seriously watching them (and dignitas) just makes me laugh all the time. clownfiesta gets a new use when you watch tsms baron plays!

maybe tsm should follow clg: kick out doubleshit and get brtt for their team.

13 Comments

Miror BMar 23, 20162 votes

To be fair, comparing TSM to NRG in baron calls is a bit hilarious, as NRG actually led the league in stolen barons whereas from what I remember TSM was tied with dignitas in number of barons stolen off of them. If TSM wants to be taken seriously, I sorta agree that they have to do something about doublelift. Either bring in a capable substitute and give him a warning (follow the team, or this guy is our new ADC), or have him become the team's split-pusher and give him things like ADC jayce who can handle themselves in 1v1 scenarios.

Oh, and don't compare them to dignitas. TSM is actively making massive mistakes to cost themselves the game when they have giant leads. In DIG's case, they're not making any plays when they have those leads allowing the enemy team to catch up.

WinBoatMar 23, 20162 votes

Svenskeren HAS GOT TO GO.

He's probably the third worst jungler in LCS currently after Crumbz, and Moon (who I'd say is worse than Crumbz now and should never be allowed to play Kindred although he does over and over and loses terrible).

Svenskeren twice in the NRG game went after the enemy team and tried engaging. He is the jungler, he needs to be there for baron and to smite it. Anyone but him should be fending off the enemies, and if anyone decides to pull the trigger, the whole team should be ready to help jump the enemies. Nope, you only have Svenskeren jumping behind the baron pit into a 1v5 while the rest of TSM are in front of the baron. How stupid, even Crumbz wouldn't make that mistake.

He's got to go.

Yellowstar has been acting pretty stupid as well from all the times he has gotten caught out all by himself this year is beyond me. This is a player who was good or so I thought when he was in EU..... Here he is in NA, just being terrible and getting caught out.

The main problem is Svenskeren tho.

Miror BMar 23, 20162 votes

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Svenskeren HAS GOT TO GO.

He's probably the third worst jungler in LCS currently after Crumbz, and Moon (who I'd say is worse than Crumbz now and should never be allowed to play Kindred although he does over and over and loses terrible).

Yeah, no. Procxin has made tons of hilariously bad calls (I wanna say half of dardoch's "highlight reel" this season is him murdering the tip jg in random locations), and Kirei is like half the reason dignitas finished last. Sven may be terrible, but he's only a small piece of a larger more complicated issue on that team.

iamleburkMar 25, 20162 votes

Regi is the one who has to go. He can't figure out that he's an owner, not a coach, and he's a terrible coach.

I find it hard to believe that all these great players are suddenly shit. Yellowstar is literally one of the best shot callers in the world, he made it to worlds semis ffs.

XantakMar 23, 20161 votes

You're not the only one who's aggravated by this. They're hinging their win condition on baron(even when they've got the monstrous gold lead), and it seems like there's a shotcalling clash going on. There's no real style/identity that TSM has right now, other than early game + lean/hope on baron, and throw there. There's no real innovation, or consistently sustained aggression towards closing out the game.

They had this problem last year, where they'd swell up early/mid game, then putter out later on, like they didn't know what to do after the clock hit a certain length. The exact opposite of CJ Entus(get crapped on early/mid game, then go into super stall mode until they become relevant in the late game), and Vici Gaming(late game "Death by a Thousand Papercuts" team). Is it because of scrims, where one team forfeits at 20 minutes to try and rush into the next one?

Svenskeren has an itchy trigger finger, especially on Gragas, and it hamstrings the rest of the team, because of poor setup. If the idea was to take shotcalling off Bjergsen, I haven't seen it really. If Yellowstar, or Svenskeren are the shotcallers, they need to police up the team, and really take charge. Hauntzer does make mistakes(who really doesn't in a game?), but it looks like he's really trying to help be a team player. He's the low-key nice guy on the team. I see it as something that'll drain him as time goes on.

Doublelift...needs to be with the team more often, because the only ADC who can really get away with doing what he does, is Imp. My theory on this, is because LGD purposely uses Imp as tasty bait lately, to devastating effect in their favor, because they love to fight(average first blood time is within first 5 minutes, across 31 games). LGD also seems to show heavy decisiveness as of late, whether failing or succeeding(4 match win streak right now). They're going to fight you.

TSM has only a matter of days to pull their fingers out of their asses, reach down and find their pairs, or they're going to get violated in the playoffs, in short fashion. They have...a minimum of 3 games to figure their shit out. We'll soon see what they're truly made of.

FrankerXMar 23, 20161 votes

thank god you gave me someone who knows what he is talking off! i dont even wanna bash too hard on hauntzer but he always seems out of place and it feels like all these big playmakers (sven bjerg double and yellow) cant get along each other. usually the team is based around that one guy but 4 off them in the same team? tsm really needs to fix shit up!

III BAKURYU III Mar 23, 20161 votes

Hauntzer is the last one to die in every game deciding team fight. This guy doesn't do anything until his team is dead than he goes in 1v? what ever number of enemy team members are still alive most of the time still all 5. WHY is it really that hard to build tanky and be in the face of the enemy 24/7 in the last 35-40 mins soak up dmg and die so team can do something. Bjergsen is also 24/7 on support AP Mids. Play Zed or Talon they can 1 shot anyone atm.

FrankerXMar 23, 20161 votes

agreed hauntzer has (until the 30 min mark) mostly 0 deaths because he never is with the team but then he starts the 1vX like you said. bjerg does the same thing as faker stop that corki karma whatever shit pick some assassins man

III BAKURYU III Mar 23, 20161 votes

Everyone says Haunter is a carry top but I just don't see it his FIORA is good but his stats for carry top laners is like don't quote me but its something like 1.4-2.3-3.0 with a team win of like 51% and his stats for a Tank top is 1.3-2.2-4.5 with a 59% win percentage.
Bjergsen has got to STOP supporting DL he can't CARRY look at the summer split of 2013 DL was given all the cs in everygame and they went like 13-15 and the 5th seed into playoffs and yep 1 and done eliminated. The team needs BJergsen to be the carry and not DL.
Every team in NA ( mainly TSM) waits to see what Korea does so they can than they do it, WHY Teams in NA(mainly TSM) needs to stop copy and pasting what korea does in the META and invent their own META.

XantakMar 24, 20161 votes

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Every team in NA ( mainly TSM) waits to see what Korea does so they can than they do it, WHY Teams in NA(mainly TSM) needs to stop copy and pasting what korea does in the META and invent their own META.

This is what I like about Keane so much. During last season, he was pulling out something different each week for quite a while, and win or lose, at least he was willing to try something new, and at the same time, throw the enemy team for a loop. Midlane Hecarim, Malphite, Rumble, and Urgot, to name a few. And what does Bjergsen do right afterwards? Hops onto the bandwagon to try and copy.

For the time being, the team that I see inventing their "own META," is LGD. That, or they don't really care about the meta so much, and just want to whip everyone's ass. As you guys have said, TSM is trying too hard to play a "Protect the LiftLift Comp."

III BAKURYU III Mar 23, 20161 votes

Bjergsen has gone from the best mid to some guy that is a support for doublelift. WHY ? Yellowstar thinks he is a good shotcaller because all he does is WIN. WIN with Xpeke Rekkles Soaz Huni Reignover, win with or get carried by them which is it? Doublelift SUCKS he doesn't change his attitude at all every interview during the TSM episodes season 2 he has a "UNLUCKY" look on his face and " IM STILL A god BUT TEAM is TRASH" looks. TSM best team in NA before Doublelift, now with him they are a JOKE. CLG team that sucked for 4 years until they won a split and Doublelift was named MVP......... Oh nvm HE wasn't the MVP Darshan was. A player on the team for 4 years and so called best adc was not the one that won MVP but a player that was on the team for 2 splits won it and not the best ADC. Look at CLG now after kicking DL possibly 1 of the 3 team for NA to make it to worlds ( CLG C9 and IMM) RIP TSM

FrankerXMar 23, 20161 votes

its funny because everytime someone says "how come clg is doing so much better after kicking out the 'best na adc' while tsm sucks?" everyone gets mad. seems like doubleshit fankids are totally blind to what an toxic trash player he is.

III BAKURYU III Mar 23, 20161 votes

Is Doublelift a good adc ......YES and NO. He does his job well but he has what I call CS addiction. Look at all of his stream or youtube games, when team needs him in a fight 4v5 he is to busy getting CS 24/7.
He also has not changed his outlooks on the League scene. IN interviews is it really that hard to say " I messed up, I'm improving with my new team and for TSM fans don't give up on us we will be the FIRST NA team to win WORLDS 2017 (BELIEVE)"
Instead he has smirks on his face 24/7, shakes his head etc.
Doublelift is a (GOOD) adc but he has so many cons and much less pros. He has to change his attitude, and say " Im not the best adc ANYMORE and maybe I was never was the best, but I will become the best ADC for the TEAM"