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Doublelift JUST retired.

packïn shmeat··1 votes·3,912 views

R.I.P

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ModWulf Helhammer6 votes

You obviously didn't understand what he said.

As a correction, DL is taking the spring split off to rest. He will be returning for summer split and will help out with tryouts in the comming weeks

Flaherty5 votes

Did you watch the video? He said he's taking a break and will come back in the summer.

hotarse2 votes

"Taking a break". Alright, the question now is what the hell is he thinking? Are TSM not paying him enough to stick around for two splits? Does the appeal of having free time to do other things really beat the appeal of playing on the big stage (He'll probably still play a ton of league on break or not)? Is this a ploy to get All-Star votes? Was not making it past groups at World's and being one of the main reasons for that really make him feel so ashamed that he can't even face his team mates again?

Not Fade Away3 votes

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"Taking a break". Alright, the question now is what the hell is he thinking? Are TSM not paying him enough to stick around for two splits? Does the appeal of having free time to do other things really beat the appeal of playing on the big stage (He'll probably still play a ton of league on break or not)? Is this a ploy to get All-Star votes? Was not making it past groups at World's and being one of the main reasons for that really make him feel so ashamed that he can't even face his team mates again?

This actually makes a lot of sense. Riot choose to create the ridiculous situation of having teams play a completely different game at the start of the season, compared to the game that is played by the time that Worlds comes around. Why should players give a crap about the first half of the season when two of the three places are decided by success in the second split either though winning the split or the gauntlet. By spending less energy on the first half of the season, this will also help minimize burnout. Honestly, unless the patching scope/timing changes, I don't think it will be long before some of the better LCS teams start to design their season around scraping through the first split (or not even that, should LCS qualification ever became permanent like most sports), and focus their efforts on the second split in a run to Worlds given that the rules at the start of the season wont even be comparable to the rules played under by season end/Worlds.

hotarse1 votes

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This actually makes a lot of sense. Riot choose to create the ridiculous situation of having teams play a completely different game at the start of the season, compared to the game that is played by the time that Worlds comes around. Why should players give a crap about the first half of the season when two of the three places are decided by success in the second split either though winning the split or the gauntlet. By spending less energy on the first half of the season, this will also help minimize burnout. Honestly, unless the patching scope/timing changes, I don't think it will be long before some of the better LCS teams start to design their season around scraping through the first split (or not even that, should LCS qualification ever became permanent like most sports), and focus their efforts on the second split in a run to Worlds given that the rules at the start of the season wont even be comparable to the rules played under by season end/Worlds.

My thoughts are that taking a split off to make extra money sets an example. As the veteran player on TSM, by taking a break doublelift (unintentionally?) signals to his team that he doesn't think he needs to make as many sacrifices as them to succeed on their team. I think it's a horrible example for a leader to set. He should be taking responsibility for their shortcomings and if he cares anything at all about winning and his team, work doubly hard to improve himself as a player while being an active part of the team.

That said, I agree, market forces dictate that players like doublelift leave their team duties for more lucrative and enjoyable activities. However, I think he underestimates how much he enjoys being part of the LCS. He might not miss the work he had to put in, but he'll miss the team, the camaraderie, the stage, the big plays, and maybe even his coaches.

Shadowatom1 votes

http://www.thescoreesports.com/lol/news/11433-doublelift-opens-up-on-lcs-burnout-it-s-such-a-bad-life

I think this idea of him doing it for the money is completely wrong tbh. Obviously he'll get more money, but I don't think he wants the money, I think he wants to do things for the fans more than anything at this point, and based on what he says in the article, it's actually fairly difficult to do that with how much time has to go into practice. Him streaming will give him a break mentally and physically, as well as allow him to connect with the fans way more than he's probably been able to throughout the season.

Imo, this honestly raises questions of if maybe the season should be shortened or what the teams need to allow payers these days off, because the conditions that players seem to go though are so damn grueling and I don't think the owners want to treat players like this, so there's gotta be some reason for it to happen and some way to fix it because the players should not need to dedicate their lives to this. Sure, a majority of their time, but they are practicing 11 months for 10-12 hours with only a few days off, that's ridiculous.

hotarse1 votes

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http://www.thescoreesports.com/lol/news/11433-doublelift-opens-up-on-lcs-burnout-it-s-such-a-bad-life

I think this idea of him doing it for the money is completely wrong tbh. Obviously he'll get more money, but I don't think he wants the money, I think he wants to do things for the fans more than anything at this point, and based on what he says in the article, it's actually fairly difficult to do that with how much time has to go into practice. Him streaming will give him a break mentally and physically, as well as allow him to connect with the fans way more than he's probably been able to throughout the season.

Imo, this honestly raises questions of if maybe the season should be shortened or what the teams need to allow payers these days off, because the conditions that players seem to go though are so damn grueling and I don't think the owners want to treat players like this, so there's gotta be some reason for it to happen and some way to fix it because the players should not need to dedicate their lives to this. Sure, a majority of their time, but they are practicing 11 months for 10-12 hours with only a few days off, that's ridiculous.

To me a lot of double's "reasons" sound more like excuses. No time for seeing a doctor. Come on. I'm sure if he told TSM he wanted to see a doctor they'd schedule it in. His lethargy and burnout are real, but also signals a lack of motivation. Winning NA finals is a huge reward and accomplishment in itself. It's not like the only thing that is satisfying is winning worlds.

Which leads me to believe his actual reasons are more political. Maybe this is a way of saying he thinks LCS players should be treated better, paid better, and have more off time. And I agree. I don't think the splits are necessarily too long, but the only way to improve at the moment due to a lack of robust sandbox tools force players to play long scrim blocks to see any improvements. And with the game changing so much and suddenly over the course of a season, it really ups the amount of work players need to put in to "adapt" to these changes.

Hopefully this move is big enough to signal to riot that some major changes need to be made not just to their approach of always changing the game up, but also providing useful practice tools and better conditions for players. Otherwise, it just ends up being a selfish move that I think will hurt his long term chances at being a pro player on a contending team.

Let's not forget there's already been talk about Double being a somewhat unpleasant personality on a team (CLG's exit) and his own admission that he was starting to loathe the lifestyle (of being an NA champion of all things).

Dapper Hat1 votes

He said he isnt playing in the Spring split because Riot doesnt pay a good enough stipend. He will make more money by NOT playing in the Spring split where there isnt anything on the line than he would if he kept playing.

HeeroTX1 votes

Going into worlds, several retired players and other commentators (maybe even an owner or two) were already saying that players can make more money streaming than they do from actual competition/being a pro player.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Not going to lie this sucks big time as a fan; I don't know how TSM will react or how they will play without D-L but honestly Bjergsen now needs to step it up and actually CARRY similar to 2014.
Bjergsen has been somewhat mid par for his standards and you could really notice Bjergsen taking a back seat to DL for the whole year.
He would play supportive type of champions or role and that's needs to change not just for NA as he has done it before but if TSM ever wants to go for in the International stage they need Bjergsen to go off.

Thanky you Doublelift for the memories and Hope to see you back during the Summer #Rest up; will need you for WORLDS 2017

Any word on who will replace D-Lift?? Rumors?

Draqone1 votes

Xpeke.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

As long as he doesn't pick Ashe; I'm cool with Xpeke ADC for TSM! Hype honestly if it happens!

Kinjishi1 votes

After playing 6 years, I could understand if he doesn't come back in Summer and decides to just stream or look at other ways to participate.

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