EU obliterating NA Part 3

E Man forever·Jun 30, 2019·8 votes·6,013 views

NA after day 2 think they have a chance to win this thing? Let's shatter this delusion shall we?

FNC vs C9 With EU winning the group stage they got side choice and team choice. Fnatic chose the weakest link in C9. The mismatch showed as Fnatic got to flash their talent against C9 without their cosplayer. C9 tried to keep the game competitive with picks, which gave us false hope. Fnatic, however, won teamfight after teamfight as C9 had to blow all of their cooldowns on Bwipo. Fnatic then snuffs out any remaining optimism brute forcing their way into the base.

TSM vs OG TSM look to pick up the slack and avenge for the game 1 loss, however, they have to deal with Origen's crazy early game. TSM opted to choose Grig as their jungler. Grig didn't seem to get the memo as he got caught out when scouting on OG's top side jungle level 1. This prevented TSM from taking control of the early game and caused it to be an even game going into the midgame. A fateful encounter around shelly changed the tides of the match, as Kold's stole shelly from TSM. That steal was a microcosm of this game as it symbolized a transition in momentum from TSM to OG. TSM was unable to recover from the shift in power and the rest was history.

G2 vs TL G2 look to end this silly event with Liquid having to clean up the mess his two little brothers made. Perkz had to play a regular ADC. The teams started the early game blow for blow. Jensen then took over the mid game with Yasuo with his sidelane carries coming online. The map was Liquid's oyster as they dove on any piece of rift they thought fit. G2 kept the game spicy with picks of their own and secured an infernal early. They then caught out G2's bot lane and secured baron. Despite losing one more member than G2 Liquid still brute forced their way into the base to break it. Another baron was enough for Liquid to keep the series alive.

TSM vs FNC Unfortunately, we don't have three Team Liquids. Fnatic dominated the early game. An encounter between both mid laners and junglers occurred around level 6 in which Grig missed his ult causing a 1-1 trade. A few minutes a fight happened in the bot river in which Grig got collapsed upon. While that was happening, Broken Blade blatantly TPed within vision of Bwipo in a vulnerable position. Bwipo then got to smack him around and solo killed BB. Bjergsen then went up to cleanup the mess and killed Bwipo. TSM then tried to gank Bwipo again in which Bwipo proceeded to dunk Grig before dying. It was too late to stop Bwipo from there as he took over the game and there was nothing TSM could do to stop him. CaptainFlowers summarized it best, it all started from that greedy TP. After Fnatic won a fight mid they secured baron and were nice enough to delay it so Rekkles can respawn with the buff. The pain train just wouldn't stop and Grig kept on missing ults. This brought an end to this series as Fnatic obliterated TSM.

And that brought an end to this pointless event. Europe was more worried about how to lift the trophy than to win the event. Although we can brag that we won the showmatch and CaptainFlowers is the best rapper.

12 Comments

FlashNekoJun 30, 20197 votes

EU certainly proved they were better than TSM at least.

TL only dropped a single game the whole event and you could make an argument that C9 was only functioning at 40% of their normal ability due to their entire roster getting sick,Sneaky in particular being bugged so hard he had to be disabled for the rest of the tournament, not being able to call in any of their back-up roster, and their Mid having to adapt to ADC on the fly.

(And before you mention Perkz, remember that he had an entire off-season to adjust to his new role.)

So while EU certainly looks strong, the read on NA's relative strength is more inconclusive than it would seem on the surface.

GamingZimonJun 30, 20192 votes

Ye ye, go with your excuses. Here's the reason they won: THEIR ENTIRE TEAM IS UPBUILT ON EU PLAYERS.

FlashNekoJun 30, 20192 votes

Hey, I'm not saying EU wouldn't have won if C9 was at 100% but at the very least the games would have been WAY more competitive and I could see a healthy C9 at least being good enough to take a game off Xpeke's old vanity project.

EU's homegrown talent is unquestionably very good and you will hear no argument on that point from me. I'm just saying, for NA's own research purposes moving forward, this tournament has too many tainted samples for it to give reliable data on how we try to improve as a region.

... Aside from the fact that TSM's International Play Debuff hasn't gone away in the time they've been absent from it.

GamingZimonJun 30, 20191 votes

Well. I wouldn't say C9 would win even if they had a full team. There's been a discussion all over the youtube, reddit and EU forums that the reason NA got bested, is not cause of the players. Basically every NA player, and all the borrowed EU players they have are really good players and probobly on close to equal term of experience and playstyle control. The problem in the NA teams and C9 included is that their way of playing the META is serveral seasons behind. EU has been known for their extreme early game snowballs for over 2 years now, while NA has been stuck always aiming for 30-40 min long games, and the coaches and leaders of teams was players to keep focusing on that game state. But when the Mage meta began last year, and games only lasted 18-25 min, NA stood no chance since they had no micro within that stage of the game. And even now, about a year later. NA micro still stuck on that game, ONLY TL was able to win pre-20 in 3 games. I say they got "lucky" that they won those 3 times with their current macro, in all honesty. No hate on TL, but with the macro it should have been a 20/100 chance to win against G2 and Origin. That they won 3 games, was either that G2 and origin trolled or that they just played extremely badly than they used to. In general. If NA want to improve they should fix their coaching and let the players open up a bit more.

The biggest question I keep having whenever EU players gets transfered over to NA is why, the all randomly start playing super passive and never ever go for plays, that they used to go for in EU. The reason is that the coaches strict the players from doing it which ultimately slows down the learning curve for imports.

Just look at Febiven, once was EU's strongest Mid laner, got transferred to NA for 1 year. Came back, was EU's worst mid laner. How the hell does that even happen?

BigBellBruteJun 30, 20191 votes

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Hey, I'm not saying EU wouldn't have won if C9 was at 100% but at the very least the games would have been WAY more competitive and I could see a healthy C9 at least being good enough to take a game off Xpeke's old vanity project.

EU's homegrown talent is unquestionably very good and you will hear no argument on that point from me. I'm just saying, for NA's own research purposes moving forward, this tournament has too many tainted samples for it to give reliable data on how we try to improve as a region.

... Aside from the fact that TSM's International Play Debuff hasn't gone away in the time they've been absent from it.

It's no secret that EU has a much bigger player base than we do. EUNE is about as big as NA. EUW is about 50% bigger than NA. And then they have Turkey and Russia to draw from too. All in all it's over 2.5 times the player base we have. So yeah, NA is going to have to import players particularly when what talent we do have is not spread evenly across roles. But this is pro sports. If EU doesn't want to lose players to NA there is a simple solution to that. Pay them to stay.

BigBellBruteJun 30, 20191 votes

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Ye ye, go with your excuses. Here's the reason they won: THEIR ENTIRE TEAM IS UPBUILT ON EU PLAYERS.

Uh the team that did well has but one player from Europe. And we stole him fair and square.

SEKAIJun 30, 20193 votes

This is going to be a warzone, is it?

InfernapeJun 30, 20199 votes

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This is going to be a warzone, is it?

I don't see why it would be when it's undeniable that right now EU is better than NA overall.

BigBellBruteJun 30, 20191 votes

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I don't see why it would be when it's undeniable that right now EU is better than NA overall.

70% of each region didn't even play. So RR says absolutely nothing about them. And of the 30% of each region that did play, it says our #1 can compete with any of your top 3. C9 can't compete with any of your top 3 right now but they didn't have a bot laner. And TSM could only compete with your 3 going 1-1 against them and losing every game against your top 2. That's not enough of a sample to make any conclusions about the whole regions.

E Man foreverJun 30, 20192 votes

May NA always be EU's little brother. [galio-happy]

GamingZimonJun 30, 20192 votes

Yup. That brought EU teams another $20.000 to their pockets. If NA lose another year of rift rivals, they will truly be bankrupts.

Acekill3rJun 30, 20191 votes

G2 trolled hard every game.

EUW is not the problem for NA, sure FNC and OG are great teams indeed but G2 is just way ahead of every team in the world right now, they had no reasons to show their potentially new picks and strategies in an already won by default competition.

What I am sure of is that NA analysts are not on par with EU or at least it feels like that to me, maybe they are under payed, not motivated/supported? Just a guess anyway.