All they can seem to talk about is a champs mobility, or how they will be reliant on flash. How this ad doesn't have a dash so its less desirable. etc. Mind numbing.
cFlame20 votesA somewhat likely Idea of what Riots system is:
Wheatloaf4 votesIf that's what you think of a gaming company, who only makes money if people decide to give them some, I'd love to hear your opinion on governments.
Auz the Ripper4 votesGovernments are the worst possible form of organization Better only than the alternative, the state of nature
Circuit Bear19 votesIt's more that the lack of mobility isn't compensated enough.
But yea, it's pretty disgusting.
Gileneas4 votesAgreed. If mobility is so important now, then the champions that are designed without mobility need survivability or damage increases to pay off for not being so speedy. or both.
Yfrappefort13 votesWhen Doublelift got caught in the jungle, playing as Jinx, in the CLG VS Coast game yesterday.
"This is the problem with those ADC without dash. If Morgana is not around to black shield, they are screwed."
So really? Lacking mobility is now a problem. Great resume of the current fucked mobility meta.
FLY Slotmachiner2 votesThen CLG won that team fight near blue... imagine if Jinx had mobility without her passive @_@
Anrui2 votesThat teamfight in the bush where CLG crushed? That's because they were outplayed and because Doublelift positioned himself beautifully. He wasn't in the bush with everyone else when the engage happened so he was unaffected by everyone piling in and just stood in the backline destroying. Cris made a major misplay in that fight. He was Irelia and was flanking around literally looking Doublelift in the eyes while he demolished the rest of CST, with Banshee's veil up and he literally turned around and went into the clusterfuck instead.
Anrui10 votesI think what they mean that if you are a champion that lacks mobility, you shouldn't put yourself in the position like Doublelift did and get caught out. But yeah, apparently lacking mobility is now suddenly a serious issue because if you get caught you can't press one button and escape from their whole team while screaming 'DA JUKEZZZ' at the top of your lungs.
LeeDark4 votesThe part the announcers leave out is that lacking mobility isn't actually compensated by significant strength elsewhere. Yes, Jinx is a hypercarry, but high mobility has not stopped OTHER ADCs from being hypercarries. Some immobile mages get extra range, but it always gets attached to skillshots that are easily dodged by ANY mid that does have mobility. And top lane and the jungle? If you don't have mobility, don't even bother applying for the role.
DaFinishGame1 votesJinx buff on next patch confirmed
Anrui9 votesOr they talk about how Kalista can do 2k damage to the Baron with her Rend.
Wheatloaf3 votesIf they let the Kalista sit on top of the objective that long, chances are they didn't have control of it to begin with.
Great Ozymandius2 votesSure, but it ruins smite steals which are an exciting part of the game.
Joesus Christ3 votes[{quoted}](name=Great Ozymandius,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=Q46zgJ4O,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2015-02-15T22:26:39.600+0000)
Sure, but it ruins smite steals which are an exciting part of the game.
it didnt ruin smite steals. Kalista using rend is the same concept as an execute ability on champs(like spider Elise's Q) or Nunu's Devour. there are ways to bypass the smite steal even before Kalista. while i personally think rend should cap on minions(or at least neutral minions), it definitely isnt a new thing.
Anrui4 votes2k damage though. 2. K. damage.
Joesus Christ1 votes2k damage though. 2. K. damage.
i know, i said that i personally think it should have a cap. :p you also have to consider that the person smiting and Kalista (generally) arent the same person(which is contrary to my previous examples). this requires those 2 players (pro or yoloqueue) to actually communicate and coordinate the smite+rend combo. whereas a Nunu or Elise can do that all on their own.
Abyssphere1 votesi know, i said that i personally think it should have a cap. :p you also have to consider that the person smiting and Kalista (generally) arent the same person(which is contrary to my previous examples). this requires those 2 players (pro or yoloqueue) to actually communicate and coordinate the smite+rend combo. whereas a Nunu or Elise can do that all on their own.
Elise has a very low damage cap on Venomous Bite. She can't outdamage smite with it at any point.
SleepyLionCub4 votesThe weird thing about mobility is that most non mobile champions arent compensated. But if anyone is like "hey we should buff them to be better than mobile champions stat wise!" everyone is just like "but that would mean the mobile champion could lose a 1v1 so its not balanced.
IlyaK19861 votesNon-mobile champions are compensated by having a damage spell in the slot that mobile champions have a mobility spell. Non-mobile ADCs (Ashe, Varus) have higher range than Vayne and Kalista. EG Kalista/Vayne are terrible for siege comps (and terrible in ARAM).
SleepyLionCub1 votesNon-mobile champions are compensated by having a damage spell in the slot that mobile champions have a mobility spell. Non-mobile ADCs (Ashe, Varus) have higher range than Vayne and Kalista. EG Kalista/Vayne are terrible for siege comps (and terrible in ARAM).
lolno.
There is no champion that has a mobility spell, that is just simply a mobility spell. Leblancs dash deals damage, Tristana's jump deals damage, cait's net slows, Akali's ult deals damage. Just try to find an ability that isnt an ult, that allows champions to ONLY dash.
Joesus Christ1 voteslolno.
There is no champion that has a mobility spell, that is just simply a mobility spell. Leblancs dash deals damage, Tristana's jump deals damage, cait's net slows, Akali's ult deals damage. Just try to find an ability that isnt an ult, that allows champions to ONLY dash.
lucian e? it procs his passive, but the spell doesnt actually do anything besides dash. and iirc it also doesnt say 'procs passive', it just kinda happens.. because thats what the passive does. lol
tooomine3 votesDudes, listening to the Riot commentators was the problem. Nothing is more frustrating than hearing a guy who is not in the lcs try to talk about the strategies, item selections, objective prioritizations, and champion prorities that players in the LCS are making. It is abysmally awful trying to listen to any single one of them talk about how they're making mistakes with full vision of the map and no investment in the outcome of the game.
TL;DR: don't listen to the commentators.
Frikgeek11 votesSome of them are retired pros though. And seriously, most commentators in just about every sport EVER are people who study the game, not those who play it. Are you saying all sports commentators are bad because "they have no investment in the outcome"?
Retillin4 votesI think (NA) that Riot Kobe and Riot Jatt are wonderful colour guys.
Marinaras Trench5 votesWHAT ABOUT PHREAK!
Auz the Ripper2 votesTooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooons of Damage
Pryotra1 votesI'm sorry, but I will never forget Scumbag Jatt.
Kobe's alright in my book though.
tooomine1 votesWhat I am saying is that I would listen to Phil Jackson or Kobe Bryant with a different level of respect than I would Bomani Jones.
If Bomani Jones wanted to talk to me about specific strategies that a team was gonna use against another team, I'd probably laugh at him, since he's a reporter/researcher and not actually playing professional basketball. Phil Jackson, on the other hand, should speak for itself.
In this example, Jatt is Bomani Jones trying to be Phil Jackson. I like hearing about technical aspects of a game, and some of the challenges in executing them. I do NOT want to hear about how a team is misplaying a situation based on your analysis of a team's strengths and weaknesses.
SecretAgentHulk3 votesIf the shoutcasters aren't qualified to talk about the game, who is?
tooomine1 votesThe pros, man. the people who are actually in the decision making game. Dyrus would be a good candidate, for a couple of years. but after that, I'd value his opinion about as much I do Jatt's or Phreak's. which is to say, that the opinion is largely irrelevant and your meta analysis of the game is now obsolete.
LeeDark4 votesWhat a load of crap. It doesn't take a good player to recognize good and bad plays. Is it your contention that someone who enjoys watching League of Legends and learned EVERYTHING they can about the sport is not worth listening to if they can't play? What if the reason they can't play is because they suffer from, say, Parkinson's?
TL;DR: Don't listen to morons on the forums.
tooomine1 votesRecognizing a good technical play, and recognizing a good macro play are not the same thing.
Please, for the love of god, talk tech to me on stream. Explain what an insec is, and why, in that fight, it was a phenomenal execution.
Please do not, however, talk to me about how this comp plays well into strategy that you literally know nothing about. OR, at the very least, preface your presentation of analysis as an opinion. I can't stand people who don't know anything about a team's strategic motivation trying to talk about what international stars are going to do/should be doing in their macro level movements.
