I'm not saying that there's definitely something sketchy with that.
But there's definitely something sketchy with that.
And now EDG's using him.
Whatever. I'm done trying to explain how stupid this is... keep circle-jerking, fellas. Really showing your ability to read.
alasarcher9 votesWell Gragas is valuable pick. And bug happen very rarely. There is nothing sketchy.
For Carthage3 votesThen why restart the game if they were still going to use Gragas? That's the whole thing.
Just a dirty tactic.
alasarcher11 votes[{quoted}](name=For Carthage,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=MsYEXIm0,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-10-17T16:21:38.619+0000)
Then why restart the game if they were still going to use Gragas? That's the whole thing.
Just a dirty tactic.
Because bug actually HAPPENED.
For Carthage2 votesAnd yet apparently they're totally prepared to deal with it if it happened again.
What part of this isn't getting across? Gragas should have been disabled if there's a bug present so critical that you have to restart the damn game because of it rearing its head. What if it had happened again? Would they just restart it a second time? Like, think about it for two seconds. It's straight fucked up.
alasarcher5 votes[{quoted}](name=For Carthage,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=MsYEXIm0,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-17T16:28:16.041+0000)
And yet apparently they're totally prepared to deal with it if it happened again.
What part of this isn't getting across? Gragas should have been disabled if there's a bug present so critical that you have to restart the damn game because of it rearing its head. What if it had happened again? Would they just restart it a second time? Like, think about it for two seconds. It's straight fucked up.
Well casters said, if bug happens again Gragas will be disabled till the end of tournament. Reason why it wasnt disabled is because Gragas is contested pick and bug happens once it 1000 games.
For Carthage2 votesSo remove the contested pick. There is zero reason to throw in a random chance that the game becomes moot and all actions meaningless regardless of how low the chance is.
If he's contested and now neither side gets him, whoopee - problem solved. No longer contested because he's not present. That's like saying "Lee Sin can't be disabled due to a game breaking bug because he's too damn popular not to have in LCS." It's a bogus reason - any other champ would get shafted almost immediately.
Amelie4 votesDid you listen to the commentators at all? They had to restart because they couldn't fix the issue which prevented Gragas from casting his Q.
For Carthage1 votes[{quoted}](name=For Carthage,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=MsYEXIm0,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-17T16:28:16.041+0000)
And yet apparently they're totally prepared to deal with it if it happened again.
What part of this isn't getting across? Gragas should have been disabled if there's a bug present so critical that you have to restart the damn game because of it rearing its head. What if it had happened again? Would they just restart it a second time? Like, think about it for two seconds. It's straight fucked up.
This applies to your comment, too.
Amelie4 votesThey said if the bug occurred again, Gragas would be disabled for the rest of the tournament. They kept Gragas enabled because he's an important pick and the bug happens VERY rarely.
For Carthage2 votesShen had a completely different treatment.
Shows up invisible on rare occasions. Equally important in the meta. Completely disabled in competitive play for the duration of the bug.
You can try to explain it, but it's straight sketchy any way you slice it.
alasarcher4 votes[{quoted}](name=For Carthage,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=MsYEXIm0,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-17T16:34:17.541+0000)
Shen had a completely different treatment.
Shows up invisible on rare occasions. Equally important in the meta. Completely disabled in competitive play for the duration of the bug.
You can try to explain it, but it's straight sketchy any way you slice it.
Ye but Shen wasnt contested pick, just situational pick.
For Carthage1 votes[{quoted}](name=For Carthage,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=MsYEXIm0,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-17T16:38:42.695+0000) That's like saying "Lee Sin can't be disabled due to a game breaking bug because he's too damn popular not to have in LCS." It's a bogus reason - any other champ would get shafted almost immediately.
Again. Relevant twice in two conversations covering basically the same thing with the same flawed reasoning.
Termii TFT5 votesit is not Gamebreaking. They said the only way to solve this bug is to die once. Btw, do you rly think there are only like 3 bugs in the game? There are much much more. They cant disable every champ.
1 more thing, the game was completely even. So it was fair fpr both teams.
For Carthage3 votesThe vast majority of them don't completely disable one of your champ's skills.
And again, if it is enough to make you restart a game, disable the champ. There is no reason to risk having to do it again. Doesn't matter if it's "rare" - shit happens.
And, I mean, come on. Fnatic let Morde get through and EDG built a team around basically babying him to lategame. The game was not in any way even.
TatsuyaPop1 votesSo they should keep their picks and bans the same not just the new one. That would be alright.
TatsuyaPop1 votesAgree with that. Unfair for EDG. Gragas got trouble so he should be disabled. They could not fix the problem but FNC got Gragas again for the second times and banned Mod. What's that?
ModCaptainMårvelous5 votesI think it speaks more to how strong Gragas is.
Your team is willing to risk a gamebreaking bug because Gragas > The chance of having to remake.
Yormaughm1 votesPretty much this.
The professional scene meta is pretty strange to me. It's like there's about 3 useable champs per lane, and the top one or two get banned in every game, so the 3rd one is actually the most commonly picked. Elise is drawing bans now (finally) so we're going back to the two most "utility" junglers in the game Rek'Sai and Gragas. In fact I'd almost make a bet that in any game for the rest of worlds in which Elise is banned and no other junglers are banned, the two that are picked WILL BE Rek'Sai and Gragas, and that's it. If Elise doesn't get banned, then we'll see Elise and either Rek'Sai or Gragas, and those are the only 3 junglers we'll see for the rest of worlds, unless more than 1 gets banned in a single game.
The fact that even with a potential game breaking bug Gragas is still a "must pick" is proof that he's too strong. Not because he does massive damage, or is exceptionally mobile, or is overpowering, or makes plays constantly, or has a huge effect on the game, but because his utility is simply 2nd best among junglers in the entire game, and that's priceless to a well-structured team. Once or twice during the game, no matter what is happening Gragas WILL make a huge play, and the constant threat of that happening will make sure the game goes calmly and predictably for at least one block of time. Gragas is like the hype-stopper, or the anti-ham (maybe he ate it all?) It's like nothing is going to happen until Gragas starts a fight, gets picked, or uses his ult, and that's true for both teams as long as he's in the game. These two junglers are simply the two that fit the best into any and therefore every team comp because no synergy is required for them to be good. Even after multiple nerfs they'll never go away. Riot of late has been pretty hard on champions that encourage a "binary" playstyle, but champions who can do everything are always going to dominate the pro scene and put viewers to sleep. (
to name a few.)
PDE5 Inhibitors3 votesIt's just that Grag is 1 of only 3 viable junglers for that stage of the game.
CPU BIanc2 votesEU losing a game? Better remake 4Head Kappa
xJLx MCHammer2 votesDamn op is bad
They can't recreate the bug
It happened. FNC was winning regardless. The outcome would have been the same
xJLx MCHammer2 votesGuys Last week, trinket was bugged. Disable it Aatrox was bugged since last year still not, disable The game tends to crash, disable it
Even if it happened once in past 6 months
Teslyn1 voteswhat about shen... he was disabled because when he ulted sometimes he wouldnt show up.. rare bug also .. but not really game breaking.. verses.. this..
i agree that ... the champ has a bug.. that basically disables him .. just disable the champ.
For Carthage1 votesThat's my point entirely.
warpenguin5551 voteswhats the bug? i must have missed that game
For Carthage1 votesGragas couldn't Q for some reason unless he died.
So they restarted the game and didn't disable Gragas.
Then Fnatic grabbed Gragas again.
Lorinne1 votesAren't they required to grab the same champions/bans after a remake, though?
For Carthage1 votesNnnnnnnnnope. Apparently not because EDG didn't get Morde again.
Lorinne1 votesWhat's sketchy about them picking Gragas again, though? Like, they value when the pick works over the incredibly minute chance of the bug happening again. They certainly aren't the only team in worlds that view it this way; most of them have picked Gragas at one point or another... Sketchy would be them using a bug to their advantage, but that isn't the case (especially considering the cause of this bug is widely unknown so it's not as if they can purposefully make it happen in order to initiate a remake).
For Carthage1 votesIt was that Gragas wasn't just disabled.
If at the very least, it shines a clear light on Riot's loyalties, and it's to whatever champ's the most popular in the LCS. Any bugs on Syndra, Urgot, or hell, even Kass probably would have seen them disabled just because they "aren't contested".
As if that's a suitable reason.
Lorinne1 votesThat's not true, though. Kat and Lux have both had similar bugs in the past and neither of them were disabled. As far as I've seen on these forum topics, Lux STILL has a bug that makes it to where she can't detonate her E sometimes. I experienced the Kat bug myself a few months ago, and it was much more severe. You couldn't use anything but your E - you couldn't use any of your other abilities or even use B to recall. Then there's the "invisible missile" bug that affects many champions, most notably Nidalee. That's been going on for years. They can't just disable a champion for YEARS.
The thing is, when they don't know what causes a bug, they can't fix it. True, they could disable ANY champion with a bug while they look for an answer, but that would lead to several champions being disabled for MONTHS if not indefinitely for a bug that happens probably less than 2% of games. If they know the cause for a bug, they can disable the champion while they fix it and it'll usually be down for a few hours or maybe a day or two. If it's not a common bug or not a game-breaking bug, they'll not disable it at all and then just fix it with the next patch. But if there's nothing they can do to fix it or they don't know how it happens, they have to decide if the frequency of the bug is worth disabling the champion indefinitely. So far, they've never chosen to disable a champion indefinitely. It's got nothing to do with favoritism, or at the very least there are MANY other factors that also go into the decision to disable a champion or not.
For Carthage1 votesFair enough.
Though I'd argue that if a game's reset due to one of these bug, either it's returned to original condition from the beginning or that champ should be disabled for at least that particular face-off - it's in poor taste to get a free redo after knowing your opponent's intents, and it's in worse taste to use the cause of a reset in the first place when it just happened. That's like taunting your opponent.
