"Yasuo and Kalista are the most fun to watch"

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Before season... maybe 4? was pretty much just things like that all the time. There were problem champions, obviously, but mobility creep hadn't hit yet. It was more fun and more exciting imo.

It's why there are a lot of whiny veterans nowadays. The game has gone astray in many of our opinions.

Here we have a perfect case of vocal minority complaining and insisting they're not minority.

"Many of our opinions" probably equates to 0.1% of the people playing LoL... and even LESS of the people watching.

Yasuo's mobility doesn't really let him run away.

It does if there's a minion wave in the right place or a camp in the direction you want to run in.

Admittedly it doesn't always happen but it's almost impossible to chase him when it does happen.

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No offense, but that's kind of a narrow view of the game.

Ironically,that's a narrow view of the game,for example,when mobility starts to dominate(for whatever reason),people start prefering things which don't care too much for it(point click is point click,dash all you want.),so in this case,when you add hyper mobile things and let them dominate,each pick you "add" takes away about 5 other skillshotbased or immobile picks,instead making the game more stale in the process.

(not too related to anything)Here's a fun paradox where by adding something("for free"),you make things worse for everyone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braess%27s_paradox

In my opinion there shouldn't be any "can and can not's" in the game because if you impose too many limitations on champions you risk homogenizing the champ pool and letting a bunch of champs become all the same thing.

As I've said,there are reactions to certain champions as well,and adding the wrong mechanics can very easily end up homogizing the game.

However I do think Kalista is kinda overturned because her mobility makes it extremely easy to exploit any advantage. Both of these things are just my opinion tho.

The issue is riot has given plenty of champions horrible tradeoffs,for example if your champions hard counters plenty of champions(for example,lee shits(or shat? not sure about this new jungle item) on plenty of tanky junglers,zed/ahri/le blanc shit on plenty of utility mages),it only follows suits that this champion should have plenty of horrible matchups of his own(you can call it rock-paper-scizzors logic),and if a champion counters little,it only follow suits he will have no counters of his own(or he needs to be a bit overbearing to offset that,orianna is a solid example of how this can work),however this logic is never follow,nobody wants any weaknesses,only strengths,no tradeoffs,kayle counters zed? fucking nerf kayle then,can't have that,then the meta gets stale and we wonder why.

when I said "SHOULD NOT be able to do that" I mean the champion shouldn't have such amazing strengths without proper weaknesses to offset them,which they never do.(as in,you want to have fizz's amazing mobility,elusiveness and immunity to skillshots? welp,no damage then.)

Holds his tornado, stopping you from AAing him. Counterharrasses with Q when you try to AA him, causing him to win the trade because he's AD and does more on an AA.

He just hangs back for 20 seconds, or all-in's anyways with his team. Windwall isn't crucial. Just as you're capable of baiting his windwall, he's capable of holding it because he knows its a fake engage. You used your engage CD's, he used his windwall cooldowns. Windwall's CD is lower than most engage Cooldowns.

Repositioning around windwall 9/10 times kills you. You have to walk nearly all the way around it, putting you right into the enemy team.

If he isn't an idiot, he isn't going to E under your turret. He knows his dash range, this one is pretty much just "hope they're a bad Yasuo."

QSSing his ult doesn't stop him from doing the damage, or getting 50% armor pen actually. It just breaks the 1~ second suppress, and meanwhile you spent $$$ on MAGIC RESIST versus Yasuo.

Kiting doesn't work against him. He has as many gapclosers as he needs. If he's getting kited that badly, he'll just leave.

There are minions every 30 seconds. Both of these points are very difficult to pull off, given you're essentially saying "control the flow of battle" which is a very, very situational thing to say. Engages will happen both in your hands, and in the enemy's hands.

Also, don't run down river because scuttle is there, and don't run in the jungle because the camps are there, and ... well don't run toward safety vs him because he'll outrun you. There is nowhere on your side of the field that he can't chase you, specifically the safety of your own turret.

The options are hardly there. The only valid points you put out are "don't be near your own team or your own minions or you die immediately," which is frankly bullcrap given you can't really avoid them.

Don't act like I've put no thought into it. I extensively play this game. I've played as and against Yasuo, and every time I'm astonished that his kit has so much in it. His kit is amazing and has very, very few holes in it, and those are pinpricks compared to his massive strengths. His only real downside is his stats, and that's because Riot treated him like Poppy and just smashed them because his kit is so overwhelmingly powerful.