EU LCS Week 3 Predictions

TBakes·Feb 2, 2017·2 votes·1,858 views

EU LCS Week 3 Predictions - The Game Haus

Check out my predictions for Week 3 of EU LCS. Let me know what you think.

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III BAKURYU III Feb 3, 20172 votes

While you were wrong about Splyce winning 2-1 or the Fnatic games being close you weren't wrong with the detailed information regarding those games so I like the knowledge that you give for each game series.

VIT vs H2K - If Vitality loses 0-2 or the games just don't look competitive then VIT are done for me. Last year I thought VIT would actually be a decent team that could be the next FNC but the players just don't work together, it's like having 5 star players but they don't have any synergy to work as a team. Add salt to the wounds as VIT are in a pretty tough Group B. H2K Wins 2-0

GIA vs G2 - Like you said GIA are decent early but when most teams fall apart late game or deciding objectives it's the result of no leader or shotcaller for the team and GIA's are realizing that. I want to say Giants will win 1 game but I'll go with my better judgment. G2 Wins 2-0

OG vs SPY - I agree with everything you said, if OG beats Splyce then it's pretty fair judgment to say Splyce are not ready to make it back to Finals losing to in my opinion the worse EU team this year. OG wins it's a shoulder shrug because I still just don't seem them making it top 3 in group for playoffs so for learning exp GJ if OG wins but overall it's whatever. SPY WIns 2-0

FNC vs ROC - This should be the better series from the upcoming games. Betsy has been in the LCS for going on like 5 splits(2 1/2 years) and he still seems like he has that freshmen style of play where he doesn't do anything but stands in aw to his opponents and stays above average in lane but loses outside of it. He's like the EU Pobelter but worse.
Fnatic so far is looking pretty bad this split and possibly a #3 seed for Group A to just be eliminated in the first round.... If they even make it! However going with Fnatic this game. FNC Wins 2-1

Nice post and Have a Good One!

TBakesFeb 3, 20172 votes

SPY/UOL: I actually said "Unicorns will win the series, but Splyce will take it to three games." Which turned out about as I expected.

FNC/MSF: I think most people pegged this match-up a bit less lop-sided. Misfits looked much more in control than Week 2, which I was happy to see. The first thing I said about this series was "Rasmus “Caps” Winther will need to maintain dominance against Tristan “PowerOfEvil” Schrage and transition into other lanes." He did not get to do that despite being on Zed and Kat. Fnatic did not quite play properly around those picks for him to snowball.

VIT/H2K: Nukeduck proved me wrong today. He carried Vitality to their win today on Ryze. Hachani died way too many times in all of their games, which I did not pick up on last week. Vitality put up a bigger fight today than I expected, but Jankos is way too strong for them to keep up with early.

GIA/G2: Watching this right now XD Looking correct so far.

OG/SPY: If Splyce lose, feelsbadman. I think Origen are better than Roccat and will be surprisingly better this week. Splyce need to convinve us they are strong, though. They need 2 clean wins. No tilting.

FNC/ROC: I agree, Betsy is reminiscent of Pobelter in their current forms: underperforming for no apparent reason. Both should be anchoring their team in mid lane, but seem to be out-classed lately. Not their full form.

Ale non è maleFeb 3, 20171 votes

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VIT/H2K: Nukeduck proved me wrong today. He carried Vitality to their win today on Ryze. Hachani died way too many times in all of their games, which I did not pick up on last week. Vitality put up a bigger fight today than I expected, but Jankos is way too strong for them to keep up with early.

Jankos was not that strong this series except in game 3 with Ivern, and in general he is not showing improvements on his weaknesses this season - reason why h2k has been kinda shaky -. Djoko has been good but he has to work on expanding his champ pool because it limits the possible comp VIT can play with. And Cabo has been rather mediocre so far, he has to step up because bot lane is not winning due to Hachani unnecessary lust for plays that end up backfiring and Nukeduck can carry some games but not all the games

TBakesFeb 3, 20171 votes

Idk, Jankos Game 1 early game was not bad. He got the kill on Cabochard top. He applied pressure bot to prevent that lane from being abused more than it already was. He secured the Infernal Drake. From there it kind of went downhill for him and the rest of H2K. They mis-played the teamfight at Baron and threw the entire thing.

Game 2, he got kills on Hachani and Cabochard within 13:00ish. He got 2 picks on Nukeduck and was BMing throughout the game. Finished 5-1-4 and H2K looked much more decisive.

Game 3, his Ivern was out of control even after giving First Blood to Nukeduck and Djoko secured 2 kills top. He helped his teammates secure some kills top, a pick on Hachani bot, and the Drake. A couple of 2-for-0's mid, H2K takes Baron, and Vitality can't come back.

Ale non è maleFeb 4, 20171 votes

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Idk, Jankos Game 1 early game was not bad. He got the kill on Cabochard top. He applied pressure bot to prevent that lane from being abused more than it already was. He secured the Infernal Drake. From there it kind of went downhill for him and the rest of H2K. They mis-played the teamfight at Baron and threw the entire thing.

Game 2, he got kills on Hachani and Cabochard within 13:00ish. He got 2 picks on Nukeduck and was BMing throughout the game. Finished 5-1-4 and H2K looked much more decisive.

Game 3, his Ivern was out of control even after giving First Blood to Nukeduck and Djoko secured 2 kills top. He helped his teammates secure some kills top, a pick on Hachani bot, and the Drake. A couple of 2-for-0's mid, H2K takes Baron, and Vitality can't come back.

I'm not saying Jankos was overall weak, I'm saying he was not that strong as implied It is not like VIT couldn't keep up with H2K because Jankos was playing godly or because Djoko was bad and not doing a good job, VIT had different serious problems that didn't depend on jungle match-up

TBakesFeb 4, 20171 votes

Gotcha, I can respect that. Thanks for the discussion!

III BAKURYU III Feb 3, 20172 votes

" I actually said "Unicorns will win the series, but Splyce will take it to three games."

Oh you did, my bad!

I thought Fnatic were going to start off better than this but I was wrong, they look like C9 back in 2015 but a little worse. Caps is the new blood on the team with a decent shotcalling core such as Soaz and Amazing and a proven veteran Rekkles. Just disappointed.

Vitality looked pretty good against H2K but Nukeduck needs to step it up dying 3 and 4 times a game on a team that has been together for a year now as well as a leader, he's been to Worlds and the bigger tournaments in the past and have played for some time now and he still doesn't seem like a leader.

That Riven tho! I can't tell if G2 are actually an A+ tier team now or if there just facing EU teams that are weak like the previous year ? What is your opinion on G2 are they actually a team now or just another flash in the pan ?

TBakesFeb 4, 20172 votes

Vitality needs to reel in Hachani first and foremost. He was literally feeding kills today. Complete opposite page as Steeelback, who is one of the most passive ADCs I have ever seen. He isn't bad. He knows how to farm. But he is not lane dominant.

The second issue is the draft. I think they are stuck in this meta, because Cabochard needs a split-push champ to play to his full potential. I feel like if he is one a Fiora/Camille/Jayce/Trundle, Djoko is on Ivern/RekSai, Nukeduck on a mage with CC (Ryze/Syndra/Twisted Fate), and the bot lane plays a passive farm style then Vitality can win more games. But if Cabo is on a tank, Djoko plays some kind of carry ganker, and Hachani keeps over-extending/face-checking then they will keep losing.

Nukeduck seems fine to me. He literally saved Vitality in Game 1 and handed them the game on a silver platter. The Zed pick did not work for them. I don't think it was necessarily his fault. He got close to assassinating H2K players several times, but Vitality could not properly pressure the map without him to allow him to split-push. Same thing happened with his Katarina last week.

I loved watching the Riven. Flaxxish impressed me with it a bit. He looks wayyyy better on carries like Illaoi. He got the pick on Zven and almost got a couple more. Expect was playing on point both games. He made the most of the Shen pick.

G2 look superior to every other EU team, in my opinion. I do think EU looks weaker overall than NA, but off the top of my head I would put G2 top 3 teams between both regions. I tweeted today "There is not a single team that can come back from a G2 4-for-0 and Baron at 24:00."

Keep in mind, G2 are 3rd in Gold Diff. @15, 7th in First Blood%, and 5th in First Dragon%. But they are 2nd in First Turret%, 1st in First 3 Turrets%, and 1st in Baron Control Rate. That's how they win. They get a pick somewhere, or a positive trade and always take turrets and Baron on the back of it, then take the game away. I need to watch them play Misfits and Unicorns of Love at this point.

III BAKURYU III Feb 4, 20171 votes

G2 2017 > 2016 that's for sure but it's still in the back of my head that it's just G2; they will dominate EU mainly because it is weaker hate it or not it's a weaker region overall than say NA but NA vs EU is another story. Is G2 a top 3 team NA + EU ...... I'm going to say yes by default as I'v seen more from this G2 lineup than say P1 or Dig or other teams that were just sewn together instead of G2, where they now have exp with each other for multiple splits and tournaments.

G2 are an incredible team and if this G2 was at Worlds last year I believe they would have gotten out of groups personally. They are just more decisive and don't seem scared to make plays and when they do make plays it's not on the blooper reel like in the past.

Ale non è maleFeb 4, 20171 votes

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G2 2017 > 2016 that's for sure but it's still in the back of my head that it's just G2; they will dominate EU mainly because it is weaker hate it or not it's a weaker region overall than say NA but NA vs EU is another story.

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Delusional NA fan that was worse than EU at Worlds, LOL

The difference in G2 performance in 2016 between domestic and international came from a technical issue within G2 itself, not because of strength of region Trick carry oriented jungle style worked on a weak 2016 jungler european field - I mean, Trashy was 3rd best jungler EU in 2016 Summer and the guy is mediocre to bad - but didn't traslate on international level where he faced a stronger international jungle because he couldn't at least partially adapt (like Jankos did thanks to the fact that Ryu had the duty of shotcalling and his solo lane were self sufficient till they meet Koreans)

Eu jungler pool has greatly improved in 2017 - players like Xerxe and Kakao are indisputably better than mid tier junglers of 2016 EU -, if G2 would eventually end up playing in international competitions the result would be different

III BAKURYU III Feb 4, 20171 votes

How was Eu better than NA, oh because they got out of an easy group at worlds don't let the MSI and world matches between NA and EU delude your judgment. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Splyce international success will come if they keep their heads on and stay with same core players, first worlds while it wasn't a success it was respected from a young team.

The Eu jungle pool has increased with talent

Ale non è maleFeb 4, 20172 votes

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How was Eu better than NA

Worlds Number of teams out of groups? 1-1 Number of teams in top 5? 1-0 in EU favor Number of big disappointments? 1-1 (G2 and TSM)

At MSI G2 had a situation where their roster was imploding and NA was better, at IEM Worlds EU beat NA

Splyce international success will come when they'll understand that they have to replace their jungler, because Trashy is clearly subpar for international competitions (and is starting to get subpar also for internal UE competitions) Just like the jump forward they did when they replaced Nisbeth with Mikyx, they can do another jump when they'll replace their jungler. They should target for Summer one between Memento, Maxlore or Broxah imho, or if they can't get any of them or top level junglers give a chance to someone like Obvious that was previously with them

III BAKURYU III Feb 4, 20171 votes

NA over Eu at MSI 2-0 but excluding that cause even I agree that G2 sucked at that tournament as Kikis was just having a really bad tournament, also because I think it was G2's first tournament other than Eu playoffs spring split.

"Number of teams out of groups? 1-1"

Man, I wish NA could face EDG in a group at Worlds because each year they get over hyped to the heavens of being a 2nd place winner behind the potential winners. 2014 "I think it will be EDG vs SSW in the World Championship" - Monte Cristo. 2015- All the hype of how Pawn is the anti- Faker and how he can beat Faker and it will be EDG vs SKT in the Finals.
2016 - Deft will take EDG to the promised land! But in reality Edward Gaming always does piss poor in the group stage, barely makes it out each year mainly because they're in the easiest groups with 1 top tier team and 2 equal wildcards. Facing likes of SSW,SKT in 2014 and 2015 but also facing teams like ( AHQ(2x),Dark Passage,Bangkok Titans, H2K(2x) and INTZ). but always needing tie-breakers to even make it out.

At least for NA it's a meme and even NA fans make fun of NA teams "NA worlds LUL" but everyone sips on that EDG hype kool-aid 24/7 unknowing that they are just hype and nothing more. That's who H2K beat to make it out of groups.

( HOWEVER, H2K did make it out of Groups so I do have to give respect where respect is due)

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Say what you want and I will read your comment but won't respond as I'm done talking about NA vs EU but again I will read your comment as I don't want to have an argument over silly shit that at the end of the day accomplishes nothing!

Let's talk about Splyce shall we?
I like Wunder but at times he does dumb things like 1v5 but I do like his aggressiveness as he's mainly the only one doing anything productive in many of their early games where Splyce as far in the past just aren't good at.
Trashy is whatever out of all the players, he's good but if I had to replace 1 I would replace Trashy.
Being Splyce are a young team what are your thoughts on replacing or subbing out Trashy for let's say Diamondproxs to give a leader type of role to a young team? Help or worsen ?
Sencux, Kobbe, and Mikyx(Milky way - as I call him) are all improving and really good, having a tough split and stats are meh but stats don't always show everything about a player. Overall I like each player and team but they're in B group so it's important that they just keep their heads up.

Ale non è maleFeb 5, 20171 votes

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NA over Eu at MSI 2-0 but excluding that cause even I agree that G2 sucked at that tournament as Kikis was just having a really bad tournament, also because I think it was G2's first tournament other than Eu playoffs spring split.

"Number of teams out of groups? 1-1"

Man, I wish NA could face EDG in a group at Worlds

I wish Splyce could being inserted in C9 group at Worlds, because quite honestly, C9 was mentally solid, but mechanically was one of the worst team in the world and got lucky to face two mediocre and inconsistent teams

Quite honestly, I was no the one that bring up NA vs EU, it was you when talking about G2. The "what if" talk is a bit silly, if you ask me, because after all the talk it is not like any of the western region were good, and it is not like any non Korean team at Worlds was good aside from RNG and H2K

G2 had a style problem when facing international competition which was caued by the fact that they didn't had their usual jungle dominance and didn't know how to play a different style. It was not a matter of team strength, they were just clueless

Let's talk about Splyce shall we?

I like Wunder but at times he does dumb things like 1v5 but I do like his aggressiveness as he's mainly the only one doing anything productive in many of their early games where Splyce as far in the past just aren't good at.

Trashy is whatever out of all the players, he's good but if I had to replace 1 I would replace Trashy.
Being Splyce are a young team what are your thoughts on replacing or subbing out Trashy for let's say Diamondproxs to give a leader type of role to a young team? Help or worsen ?

Sencux, Kobbe, and Mikyx(Milky way - as I call him) are all improving and really good, having a tough split and stats are meh but stats don't always show everything about a player. Overall I like each player and team but they're in B group so it's important that they just keep their heads up.

Splyce need to replace Trashy, because it is clear that he can't survive in international play. I don't think Wunder is THAT good, but at least you can plan on him surviving in the top lane on a tank and try to make play anywhere else on the map. He is the guy that benefitted the most from the support change in Summer, because finally the enemy teams had to worry not only about mid lane but also about bot lane that got istantly good (Kobbe was always competent ADC also in spring but was dragged down by Nisbeth), and so he benefitted from the fact that enemies didn't focused him because they had to stop Splyce mid andbot lane and he had freedom to pop off. Trashy would get beaten by any decent international jungler, and having a jungler who gets beaten means that the enemies can focus Splyce weaker points (Wunder) without them being protected or having retaliation in another lane

III BAKURYU III Feb 6, 20171 votes

I think Splyce tries too hard at times mainly Trashy when he over ganks lanes and it's not really ganks as more so than just pushing the lanes(mid) to reset so the mid doesn't have to overextend and it normally goes wrong and it's 2 easy kills at mid, it's one of the reasons why Splyce didn't do so good at Worlds.

Splyce isn't warding as much as they once did last split, with the exception of Bot lane every other lane or jungle positions are slaking off greatly.

Kobbe isn't getting protected as much to be able to carry as he's constantly down in cs per min but if Splyce can protect him he's able to carry games easily as he's doing more damage this split with less CS. So he's able to do the little things if the team can set up plays for him to do something.

Wunder has improved greatly and I have a soft spot for a top player that isn't afraid to make plays but the team isn't in the right position or the damage is off from the players that should have the damage( but it could just be from this meta) but it's a worrying fact that Splyce's damage have gotten stronger with Trashy,Wunder and Mikyx but the important carries Kobbe and Sencux have been left out on either damage or Cs.

Overall Splyce has talent no question, but they need better plays more film, watching games because the talent isn't taking them to another Finals unless they improve with their calls and the little things.

Ale non è maleFeb 6, 20171 votes

Bad ganks, lack of vision outside bot lane, lack of carry protection...basically all things that are mainly jungler responsability. And we get back to the reasoning about Trashy, the guy is just not good enough for International competition because he doesn't do anything in an excellent way. Him and Spylce benefitted from weak EU jungler competition + tank jungler meta that allowed them to mitigate/mask Trashy weaknesses. Right now Trashy is suffering because increased competition and shift in jungle meta with carry junglers being dominant, so all the team suffer. Unfortunately Trashy is not a rookie, I don't see him having many margins of improvement, that's why, imho, Splyce should aim to replace him in Summer. Trashy experience can better serve a low-mid tier team that needs to have a known quantity in a cruciale role, rather than a team that want a top 3-4 finish

BigBellBruteFeb 5, 20171 votes

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Number of teams in top 5? 1-0 in EU favor

Let's lift up the rug and see what was swept underneath it shall we?
Number of teams 15th or worse. NA Zero. EU 2. Forgot that little one didn't you? Didn't think we'd look under that rug did you? Tsk Tsk Tsk. Face it. EU was garbage and the only team that made it anywhere didn't have to play anyone until the semis where they got dumpstered by the exact same team Korean team that dumpstered our team.
The only thing EU was better at at worlds last year than NA was getting a cupcake draw for one of its teams. Otheriwse, EU flat out sucked eggs.

And you should have expected EU to suck eggs given the two great EU teams from the year before were shells of their former selves. Origin completely imploded and Fnatic took a huge step back. You don't have that happen and expect that you're even remotely the same as a region.

Ale non è maleFeb 5, 20171 votes

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Let's lift up the rug and see what was swept underneath it shall we?

Things like C9 being the worst QF team qualifying in the group with the worst quality of games (1 hour clownfiestas)? Or CLG shitting the bad by not being able to qualify in a group with freaking G2 and a wildcard in it? Things like TSM having more mediocre and bad performances than the good ones?

Tsk, tsk, tsk Let's face it: EU had 1 very good, 1 mediocre and 1 very bad team, compared to NA having 3 mediocre teams After all the talk, NA still got worse results in the end despite S6 being the worst EU has ever been except S4

P.S. And I'm not the one that was the first to bring up NA vs EU, reread the discussion

BigBellBruteFeb 5, 20171 votes

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AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Delusional NA fan that was worse than EU at Worlds, LOL

The difference in G2 performance in 2016 between domestic and international came from a technical issue within G2 itself, not because of strength of region Trick carry oriented jungle style worked on a weak 2016 jungler european field - I mean, Trashy was 3rd best jungler EU in 2016 Summer and the guy is mediocre to bad - but didn't traslate on international level where he faced a stronger international jungle because he couldn't at least partially adapt (like Jankos did thanks to the fact that Ryu had the duty of shotcalling and his solo lane were self sufficient till they meet Koreans)

Eu jungler pool has greatly improved in 2017 - players like Xerxe and Kakao are indisputably better than mid tier junglers of 2016 EU -, if G2 would eventually end up playing in international competitions the result would be different

Um no. NA vs EU straight up at worlds. 4 wins for NA Zero for EU. Sorry you lose. Record in the first round NA 9-9 EU 7-12. NA's was the second best, EU's the worst. Sorry You lose again.

The only EU team that made it out of groups did not have to play a Korean team or an NA team in groups and got a lucky cream puff draw. And in fact they got dumpstered by the exact same Korean team that dumpstered the NA team out of the knockout stage. So no. The fact that one of your teams made it one round further is absolutely no indication that EU was better.

So the objective facts of the matter clearly indicate that NA was far superior to EU at worlds.

Ale non è maleFeb 5, 20171 votes

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The only EU team that made it out of groups did not have to play a Korean team or an NA team in groups and got a lucky cream puff draw. And in fact they got dumpstered by the exact same Korean team that dumpstered the NA team out of the knockout stage. So no. The fact that one of your teams made it one round further is absolutely no indication that EU was better.

It's not like C9 was the worst of the QF qualified teams, and TSM and CLG got 2-0d by the team that kicked them out of groups, right? right? Oh, wait... NA had 3 mediocre teams, EU had 1 very good, 1 mediocre and 1 bad, in the end the results NA achieved were worse than EU

So sorry, NA lose, as almost always do, despite EU being not good

BigBellBruteFeb 3, 20172 votes

Trashy: We're not afraid of the unicorns. We can beat them.

Unicorns support lulu steals baron. Nice smite Trashy!!! Not.

III BAKURYU III Feb 3, 20172 votes

UOL stole the baron twice in 1 game lol that was a cool moment.