i remember a while ago... maybe a long while ago i made a mention to FORG1VEN being on the of the best adcs in the world and i got spammed with hate cuz i didnt say sneaky, doublelift or whatever flash adc there was ...
semifinals in worlds and the only non asain adc left FORG1VEN he is a world class adc maybe top 3 in the world one of the reasons why H2K made it this far. win or lose he needs to be recognized
yea they coulda won a game or two if not for Ryu fucken up hard
Stixxay was the best ADC out of NA, but his stats fall short of Forg1ven. The only ADCs who really outperformed him were the Koreans. He even was notably better than Uzi.
Just want to note, that the only common opponent TSM & H2K had was SSG. In TSM's best game Doublelift went 4-0-4 and TSM won (only team to beat SSG), in TSM's worst, Doublelift went 9-3-1, but team lost. In FORG1VEN's "best" (?) game he went 4-2-8 and H2K lost. At worst, FORG1VEN went 0-0-2 and also lost.
FORG1VEN is a great ADC and had a great run at world's, but he also benefited from an easier path. Its ridiculous to say he's proven better than many other ADCs at world's simply because he beat weaker teams. (2 IWCs, 1 questionable LMS team and a probably overrated LPL team) Props to them for taking care of business, they did what they had to do to get to semis. But I'll wager several other teams (C9, RNG & TSM notably) could have and I'd say WOULD have, done the same if they swapped places with H2K.
He's always been one of the best in the lane. That's his whole strength. His issue is, like Doublelift's, he doesn't play with a team well seems to really only excel in games when he can snowball like in a solo Q game. He's mechanically great though sure.
game 1 was the only game where she was a good pick. I said that, too, smartass. The other 2 games she was not an optimal pick. Forgiven just can't play Jhin, Ashe, or Ezreal.
You could use the spellshield counter FOR ANY GAME. That does not make her an optimal pick for every single team comp. Games 2 and 3, there were other picks he could have chosen. Not only that, he was basically non-existent on her in all 3 games.
I never said Sivir was a bad pick, but when thats your ONLY pick, there is a problem. Esp. when there are other champs on the table that would work better. Are you seriously gonna tell me other picks wouldn't have worked better there? Are you? Lol.
And if you are going to ride that Sivir train, then why was he so mediocre on her? I mean we have seen people carry on her; but not Forgiven. He was basically just a ward.
Bottom line is, his champion pool is weak. You cannot even argue this shit. The enemy team SAID it was weak, and why they banned Cait. Its been a problem his entire career. Hes literally one of the only ADC players that gets banned out. Other ADC players get hit with bans, too. They just play something else at a high level. Forgiven gets a pass for it.
In regards to pick/ban, I think the real problem is the carries as a whole being in an unhealthy state. While Cait, Jhin, Ashe, and Ez are good, Sivir and Lucian are OK, then there is a list of other ADCs unseen. MF, Trist, Corki, Varus, Vayne, Quinn, Kalista, Draven.... If one or two ADCs are banned, or if a team doesn't prioritize the pick, a role with only a handful of viable options leaves a player in a rough spot, especially if the current game balance cuts out several champs they just plain can play better but won't scale or fit the comp.
Well, if you look at stats for this Worlds, Forg1ven was consistently at or near the top in KDA and CS, while having lower deaths, in either the Group or KO stage. The only ADCs consistently better than him were all three Koreans (Bang, PraY, then Ruler) with more Kills, Participation, and not much behind Forg1ven in KDA and CS. Stixxay had stat strengths more like the Koreans than Forg1ven, yet while his stats were a bit below Forg1ven, he clearly had better output than Sneaky or Egolift.
In no particular order, I'd say worlds best ADCs are Bang, PraY, Ruler, For1ven, Uzi, Deft and Stixxay.
Beats Albus Nox in the quarter finals Yup Forg1ven is a world class adc
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I think Stixxay out-performed him this worlds. I think Stixxay was the best performing Western ADC.
