Do people who play this game truly think that through enough play , practice and study of league that they can go from a non pro to a pro ? Also do you think that is the only factors that separate the millions of players in league to the pros they watch in the LCS,LKC etc? Or just like any other professional "sport" its more then hard work ? That natural talent has to be there in order for them to make as a pro ?
Share your thoughts...
Melledoneus14 votesYou have to be from South Korea.
Only then may you have the chance to win Worlds.
Phelas1 votesJust wanted to let you know i love your name!
Melledoneus1 votesThank you!
DeathTheHorseman5 votesIt's all play and practice BUT an IQ of over 200 helps. So talent counts. [slayer-jinx-catface]
P.S. While I don't play 14 hours a day like the pros I put in quite a lot of time but am nowhere near their level (barely a diamond) because my IQ is not high enough :S
Big part of league is about quick (but correct) reaction and predictions.
The intelligence of the player counts for a lot there as every game is different and you can't just practice it out for decision making.
Having deep game knowledge or experience makes reaching decisions faster but like I said you need to be able to think fast and not just have the knowledge to reach the correct conclusion** because if that conclusion comes 1 second too late you can end up feeding instead of winning.**
It's like every time you die and analyze the fight then see 1 thing you could have done better in order to make an escape or get a kill.
Well, the pros manage to analyze that information during the 6 sec fight and not in the 6 sec after they are dead.
In other words, LCS players are 
IRL and analyze stuff quickly and efficiently.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesso just like in PRO (american) FOOTBALL you have to have more talent then the average joe with hard work and practice to make it to the nfl?
DeathTheHorseman2 votesPretty much.
If you try hard and play 14 hours a day you will reach the level of teams like Renegades or Roccat but you still will be far from the Asian kids (IQ over 200).
Asian kids practice for 14 hours. So if you want to get better than them you need to practice more if you are dumber.
It's pretty much how it goes. However with a need of at least 6 hours of sleep a day I don't see the average person surpassing an korean pro that has high natural intelligence.
It's why I got a real job and dropped any ideas I had about becoming a Pro Dota player. (that and the RNG of dota hating me)
L1ghtBringer1 votesI should have posted that instead of writing paragraphs [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesyea but youre not as special as dragon lady
6Sfool2 votesI started as the lowest of the low. And then, through years of practice, years of the pain of defeat, I steadily climbed the ladder. One day, I found myself at the the top. Facing an All plat team.
And then I got stomped hard, because it was a plat team practicing in normals (I don't play ranked).
My talent in League is negative, if possible.
Dank Jerry2 votesTalent is what comes naturally, Skill is what is developed from hours and hours of training. Thats the first difference
For people who are serious about Pro playing years and years without actual training is pointless, If you think that just by playing ranked and reaching plat or diamond is how you get into pros thats wrong.
The 2nd difference, is if you are serious about pro, then those same years you spent getting to plat or diamond you are actually training, that means every game you are memorizing timers, know how to path and cs, what to do in certain scenarios, How to function in a different teams, how to truly use a champ even little tricks like wall jumping etc
In other words the people who are just playing to play, ranking up means nothing and if youre doing it for fun its fine get to diamond for a challenge sure whatever. Those who are playing to Improve themselves and are aware of everything they are doing, why they are doing it and what changes could work will be the ones to reach pro<
that simple
also this was an actual reply need to include some troll
Whats something you put in your mouth but dont swallo?
deez nuts<
øHaruø1 votesI'll take 4 Alex. "Get a real job with real security and something I can be proud of, maybe pass on to my grand kids".
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesincorrect you did not answer in the form of a question .
øHaruø1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=fv0kQbeJ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-10-23T04:44:02.705+0000)
incorrect you did not answer in the form of a question .
If it helps I voted for option 2. I was your first voter.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesall good but you responded to alex trebek and when you answer his questions it must be in the from of a question lol
øHaruø1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=fv0kQbeJ,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-23T04:45:52.441+0000)
all good but you responded to alex trebek and when you answer his questions it must be in the from of a question lol
COBRA C0MM4NDER1 votesdo you touch your mouse with hopes of victory? or do you learn how to get victory through suffering and rage?
When making muffins, do you use one egg or two?
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesso would it be possible for someone who is an average joe that is a silver player who cant get above silver become a pro player through practice and playing league only?
WoonStruck1 votesThere is a truly competitive mindset you have to have. An almost desperate desire for self-growth.
To anyone that's actually competed the difference between individuals with and without that trait is quite obvious.
Keep in mind that when I say 'competed', I mean actually facing other seriously competitive individuals with a strong desire to win...not just participating in a competition without thinking you have a realistic shot at beating the rest of the crowd.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesnot just mindset... maybe the pro players who are the top .001% of players in the world have better hand eye coordination then the average person, maybe faster fast twitch muscles and faster reaction time. better dexterity. also maybe their brains are able to process information faster through better neuropathic pathing in the brain where their neurons fire at a faster response then average people. hence better hand eye coordination and better dexterity and faster reaction times? which one would relate to natural talent just the same as a baseball player being able to hit a baseball going 100mph
WoonStruck1 votesI would have to say that is incorrect.
I would say it comes down to habits and process, not processing. There are those who think about how to handle the situation, then there are those who think ahead of the situation as they move forward.
Hand-eye coordination and hand dexterity are definitely required, but I'd say the majority of individuals who have been playing games for a long stretch of their life have good enough of both to perform at higher levels.
Past that is knowledge, which you cannot have a natural talent for in games like these. Whether or not information you've witnessed about the game are kept in mind during high-tension situations while playing, again, comes down to habits and process, not processing speed.
Neuro-pathing has no physically possible way to create a difference large enough that it would impact gameplay. Awareness is something self-taught, not something you are born with.
For example, if you go to the wiki and watch Annie's ult animation, you can easily get to the point where you can avoid Annie's ult without fail with Zhonya's, Vlad pool, or whatever other tool. However, most people don't choose to look specifically at Annie's model while fighting her. When you reliably dodge it, people end up accusing you of being a smurf or something because they think its instant.
I do agree top levels require talent, but a lot of that is self-taught. Nobody is intrinsically good at everything in the game. This game has a lot more depth to it that you can uncover than many people expect.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesi bet if they were to do a study and to scans of the brain of pro players compared to average players ( silver/gold ranks) that the pro players show different in those scan in certain areas of the brain that have to do with reflex, hand eye coordination and so on...
it has been proven for all other " pro athletes " from soccer, baseball, nascar, formula 1, nfl, basketball, hockey
WoonStruck1 votesThat difference would be growth due to competing and growing as an athlete, as opposed to just being born that way I'm pretty sure. Its mostly environment that shapes our mental growth. Stimuli and our reactions to it.
Similar choices lead you to follow the same path.
A parallel. You could say that pro athletes are often stronger than average individuals. If you did tissue samples, they would have many more mitochondria. That's not because they were born that way. It was from their actions directly affecting how their muscles developed.
If you need to constantly comprehend, you will get better at comprehension. If you need to constantly study, you will get better at studying. If you need to constantly compute, you will get better at computing. That all has to do with how the brain grows based on your use of it.
This is why the people that don't desire to be intelligent seem like they're living in a different world than those that do.
IQ has a strong correlation with a desire to learn. Its not as set-in-stone as people believe.
L1ghtBringer1 votesMental fortitude is quite important as well but that alone counts for nothing.
A bronze player with no deep game knowledge and lower IQ than average would not beat a Challenger player even if his life depends on it.
Motivation is important because it makes you practice harder (and can influence learning rate) but has low importance if you are lacking in the other departments.
You can have the most unmotivated (on the verge of trolling) challenger but he still will play better than a bronze player no matter how much victory means for that bronze player.
What I am getting at is that Competitive spirit and desire to win counts only in the department of ANTI-TILT and making you work harder (train for more hours).
ANTI-TILT mindset for victory = if your spirit remains unbroken you continue to make decisions based on logic and not on emotions but the speed at which you reach correct decision still is relative to your IQ and game knowledge/experience.
This game is about making the correct decisions as fast as possible and putting the opponent in a place he can't react fast enough.
Thus IQ is the deciding factor since anyone who aims at becoming a pro would have that competitive spirit and will be putting the hard work in . 14hours LoL a day eventually leads to the deep game knowledge (having the LoLwiki in your head.) and it's crucial to being good at the game in it's strategic aspect but when the game starts and the enemy puts the moves on you it all becomes real time tactics where being smart counts for a lot.
Game knowledge can help you set up an almost uncounterable play. However, IQ is what can get you out of such a play. (Riot likes to call it mechanics)
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesor mechanics are reaction time and dexterity and hand eye coordination to be able to react faster and do things faster then the average player
Only Play Darius1 votesNatural talent. There are some players with no experience in MOBA games who get to masters the first season they join, there are players who have been here since beta who still have never reached gold.
Ryuyah1 votesThe dictionary definition of "Professional" means you're getting paid for what you do
I could be a pro football player but suck at the game
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteswell suck as a pro then yea but you still are in the top .001% of athletes in order to make it to pro you had to have skill and natural talent to get to pro
take all the people who play HS football then the amount of players in FBS/DIV 1 schools in college then the amount of people who are currently pro nfl players on a roster 32 teams x 53 players = 1696 PRO NFL players on teams
so lets take NA LCS for example there were 10 teams and 5 starting players per team and an average of 2 back ups so 70 players in LCS
and how many players are there on the NA server let alone the people who come from other regions to play on a PRO NA LCS TEAM
so would it be hard to say that those 70 pro LCS players are the top .001% of players? and they are more talented then the average player?
Leon Etoile1 votesKiwiKid
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteswhat about KiwiKId?
Leon Etoile1 votespro player that sucks
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes[{quoted}](name=Leon Etoile,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=fv0kQbeJ,comment-id=0007000100000000,timestamp=2016-10-23T21:08:39.183+0000)
pro player that sucks
still better then 99% of us
Leon Etoile1 votesshit is still shit. nothing changes that
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesyet that shit made $ at this game as where you havent...
just as the 3rd string QB on the NFL worst team is possible the worst QB in the NFL but he is still a pro and still gets paid
and still more talented then the majority of the population
Leon Etoile1 votesYou make more and easier money not being a pro for LoL though
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesdidnt say how much $ but a pro is a pro... people who stream and are good arent pros
there are some former pros that do that
but players who never played PRO before arent pros
Leon Etoile1 votesYou are a pro if you get paid doing a job.
