SKT being reformed this year, I had a question about Huni, the guy who is world famous for top lane marksmans. Will SKT actually let him play champs like Quinn, Kennen, etc or will they say NO, tank only? Because Duke always played Tanks so I assume they will push the same strategy on Huni?
III BAKURYU III 1 votesGood question!
I would assume SKT will "make" Huni play more of the tank style because A. you can't/shouldn't die as often so the games won't steam roll faster and will give Faker/Bang/Wolf more time to develop as a team against other players/teams at the real level instead of just from scrims and/or solo Q.
I believe SKT will make Huni play more tank until everyone on SKT is familiar with each other as SKT has 2 new members to develop and guide under their wings.
Once everyone on SKT are familiar with each other say week 3-4 in the LCK or whenever they feel is the right to pull off a marksmans/carry champion top.
Gehco1 votes[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=BWmKmu2f,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-05T02:03:25.862+0000)
Good question! I would assume SKT will "make" Huni play more of the tank style because A. you can't/shouldn't die as often so the games won't steam roll faster and will give Faker/Bang/Wolf more time to develop as a team against other players/teams at the real level instead of just from scrims and/or solo Q.
I believe SKT will make Huni play more tank until everyone on SKT is familiar with each other as SKT has 2 new members to develop and guide under their wings.
Once everyone on SKT are familiar with each other say week 3-4 in the LCK or whenever they feel is the right to pull off a marksmans/carry champion top.
I see. What are the chances that Huni will pull out Quinn during the upcoming splits? Will SKT allow that?
III BAKURYU III 1 votesIf I was a gambling man I would say he will play Quinn 7 to 11 times(games but that's a random prediction.
IDK what SKT will allow, they might look at Huni and be like " you were in NA and you played nothing but carry champions and you still couldn't win 1 single split and shame him and throw him into a deep dark corner of the SKT's house, I don't know? Like I said do I think Huni will play Quinn or other carry champions. YES Do I think SKT will allow him to play them at the start most likely no, maybe say 2 out of their first 10 games to see in person how he plays it while studying their new jungler but not sure.
Gehco1 votes[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=BWmKmu2f,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-05T02:24:35.763+0000)
If I was a gambling man I would say he will play Quinn 7 to 11 times(games but that's a random prediction.
IDK what SKT will allow, they might look at Huni and be like " you were in NA and you played nothing but carry champions and you still couldn't win 1 single split and shame him and throw him into a deep dark corner of the SKT's house, I don't know? Like I said do I think Huni will play Quinn or other carry champions. YES Do I think SKT will allow him to play them at the start most likely no, maybe say 2 out of their first 10 games to see in person how he plays it while studying their new jungler but not sure.
I see. So is his quinn a nightmare to fight against? Can we hope for a another penta? oO Or will that stuff not fly in LCK? In NA he stomped most of his opponents as a ranged top. I am wondering if he can throw off another penta in LCK this time since his last penta on quinn was in NA.
I wonder if enemy teams will actually ban his champs i.e quinn, etc or not care?
III BAKURYU III 1 voteshmm, I wouldn't say she's a nightmare but she is rather good at top. I haven't watched the LCK scene for a while but when I did she was picked maybe 20 times and did good nothing great but good. I recall maybe 12-18 games going to the 40+ min mark and she went like 4-14 or close to it because again she's not great late game in a team fight game deciding fight.
Not to mention LCK teams play the average 37-45 min games they are much longer than NA and EU because they play as a team for the team and objectives no matter the length, unlike NA where teams/players think they need to end or they might not be good that's called RUSHING.
Not sure if " or will that stuff not fly in the LCK" look at Reignover. Reignover was pure garbage when he was in the LCK/LPL but once he came to the Western regions he became 1 of the best players. Same can be said about Fenix didn't he get a Quadra kill but he too wasn't great up until he came to NA.
The LCK is more of a life style than it is as a "bring your talents". You must learn how to play as a T.E.A.M instead of an individual. Huni will learn that good or bad he will learn the ways to play as a member of a team and not as a carry individual.
Gehco1 votes[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=BWmKmu2f,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-05T02:41:42.161+0000)
hmm, I wouldn't say she's a nightmare but she is rather good at top. I haven't watched the LCK scene for a while but when I did she was picked maybe 20 times and did good nothing great but good. I recall maybe 12-18 games going to the 40+ min mark and she went like 4-14 or close to it because again she's not great late game in a team fight game deciding fight.
Not to mention LCK teams play the average 37-45 min games they are much longer than NA and EU because they play as a team for the team and objectives no matter the length, unlike NA where teams/players think they need to end or they might not be good that's called RUSHING.Not sure if " or will that stuff not fly in the LCK" look at Reignover. Reignover was pure garbage when he was in the LCK/LPL but once he came to the Western regions he became 1 of the best players. Same can be said about Fenix didn't he get a Quadra kill but he too wasn't great up until he came to NA.
The LCK is more of a life style than it is as a "bring your talents". You must learn how to play as a T.E.A.M instead of an individual. Huni will learn that good or bad he will learn the ways to play as a member of a team and not as a carry individual.
he literally stomped his opponents as quinn in NA, even got a penta, so in LCK, would this be the same? Will his Quinn be a pain in the butt for enemy teams?
III BAKURYU III 1 votesLCK > NA all day every day. No disrespect to NA but LCK is not like NA or they wouldn't win every Worlds each year for the past 4 years in a row while NA gets eliminated in groups/QT Finals each year.
Look at SKT with Impact the final year that they were eliminated by SSW in the LCK playoffs/seasons. Impact was still a good top but the chemistry just wasn't there and the meta shift etc.
No one is questioning if Huni is good playing Quinn but more so if he can play her well with a real team against players in the LCK. Most of the "bad players in the LCK are 10 fold better than most of the NA players. Look at Bjergsen as an example. He is called the Western(NA) Faker, now look at the talent at mid for LCK that compared to Bjergsen would pretty much stump him such as Kuro,Kuzan,Pawn,Fly,Nagne,Faker,Easyhoon,Crown etc etc. While BJergsen has had some outplays mainly against Nagne/Crown/Pawn at Worlds 2015,2016,2014 respectively) they've actually won games off Bjergsen and have competed against each other multiple times.
Bringing up past players accomplishments in NA compared to LCK isn't something to be proud of as it was in NA and not in LCK.
MonteCristo said something like this once dont' quote me as I don't have word for word " If NA players want to actually get better than they should play in LCK" Pretty much saying Bjergsen again for example saying he is NA Faker is laughable.
Gehco1 votes[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=BWmKmu2f,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-05T02:59:16.645+0000)
LCK > NA all day every day. No disrespect to NA but LCK is not like NA or they wouldn't win every Worlds each year for the past 4 years in a row while NA gets eliminated in groups/QT Finals each year.
Look at SKT with Impact the final year that they were eliminated by SSW in the LCK playoffs/seasons. Impact was still a good top but the chemistry just wasn't there and the meta shift etc.No one is questioning if Huni is good playing Quinn but more so if he can play her well with a real team against players in the LCK. Most of the "bad players in the LCK are 10 fold better than most of the NA players. Look at Bjergsen as an example. He is called the Western(NA) Faker, now look at the talent at mid for LCK that compared to Bjergsen would pretty much stump him such as Kuro,Kuzan,Pawn,Fly,Nagne,Faker,Easyhoon,Crown etc etc. While BJergsen has had some outplays mainly against Nagne/Crown/Pawn at Worlds 2015,2016,2014 respectively) they've actually won games off Bjergsen and have competed against each other multiple times.
Bringing up past players accomplishments in NA compared to LCK isn't something to be proud of as it was in NA and not in LCK.MonteCristo said something like this once dont' quote me as I don't have word for word " If NA players want to actually get better than they should play in LCK" Pretty much saying Bjergsen again for example saying he is NA Faker is laughable.
yeah I totally get what you are saying. But just watching Huni stomp through his opponents in NA as Quinn made me believe that maybe he deserves a better team and SKT (the world champs!) seem like a darn good choice. I actually question this myself, can HUNI pull it off as quinn with SKT or no since LCK as you mentioned is different. I would not be surprised though if he can't stomp as quinn in LCK. That unless peanut has a really good synergy with him and helps him a lot early game. More importantly, I wonder if SKT will let him play Quinn and other ranged tops in the splits of 2017. And this is just the splits we are talking about, is Huni really that good that he would actually be successful with Quin at worlds 2017 with SKT? But I am jumpin too far ahead lol.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesI think Huni will do fine in the LCK, as Quinn IDK but if he does play her maybe a 3.1 KDA average would be my guess.
" That unless Peanut has a really good synergy with him and helps him a lot early game"
Gehco1 votes[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=BWmKmu2f,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-05T03:44:10.175+0000)
I think Huni will do fine in the LCK, as Quinn IDK but if he does play her maybe a 3.1 KDA average would be my guess.
" That unless Peanut has a really good synergy with him and helps him a lot early game"
- Indeed, a forgotten thing most people seem to forget is Huni would get ganks after ganks for him. I mean if you watch the year that Huni was in EU Reignover would just camp his lane. After a while I was like " Who wouldn't be good if they got camped for each game and had 4-5 kills in the first 10 mins of each game, like that was a scale of how good he was ?"
He then went to NA and Reignover couldn't really camp as much because the NA teams had a full year of scouting Huni and Reignover and figured that was the only way Huni could get ahead. Hint why Huni and IMT couldn't win a single split compared to 2 straight in EU.
in NA teams were actually afraid to face his quinn, I wonder if LCK will be the same? His penta was also insane against TL, I hope LCK was watching that lol
III BAKURYU III 1 votesIndeed his Quinn is good but nothing mind blowing! He is 1-0-4 as Quinn against Echo Fox the same Echo Fox who had the all great Goldenglue for mid while Froggen had visa issues.
3-6-10 vs Cloud 9 with the 24/7 aggressive Rush, the fallen of the face of the earth Balls and the support Hai what could go wrong with that team?
9-0-6 vs Team Liquid. In the Spring split I believe with rookies like Lourlo and Matt as well as Dardoch.
0-4-4 vs Counter Logic Gaming who camped Huni ;[ and gave him a taste of what it feels like when it's the other way around.
LCK most likely did see that game and was like "nice" took a picture of the moment and through it into the box of accomplishments against NA teams.
Gehco1 votes[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=BWmKmu2f,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-05T04:06:11.784+0000)
Indeed his Quinn is good but nothing mind blowing! He is 1-0-4 as Quinn against Echo Fox the same Echo Fox who had the all great Goldenglue for mid while Froggen had visa issues.
3-6-10 vs Cloud 9 with the 24/7 aggressive Rush, the fallen of the face of the earth Balls and the support Hai what could go wrong with that team?
9-0-6 vs Team Liquid. In the Spring split I believe with rookies like Lourlo and Matt as well as Dardoch.
0-4-4 vs Counter Logic Gaming who camped Huni ;[ and gave him a taste of what it feels like when it's the other way around.
LCK most likely did see that game and was like "nice" took a picture of the moment and through it into the box of accomplishments against NA teams.
he did score a penta which is pretty amazing in my book in proplay. So what you are saying is that he will not be able to demolish LCK teams like he did with NA teams as quinn? With Peanut at his side, I think the outcome would be far more scarier since peanut is much more better than wildturtle. Should LCK teams be scared of his quinn?
III BAKURYU III 1 votesOH NO Doubt getting a PENTA in NA/EU/LCK/Solo Q is Amazing not saying that all at! However let's not take it out of context is all I was saying.
"Demolish LCK teams" - No, win games yeah I mean you could set a team up with Faker, Huni, a broom stick, Dr. Pepper soda can, and Bang and they would most likely still win 80% of their games.
Long story short this is my official Huni's stats with SKT in 2017 Spring Split 104-113-209
(Kills-Deaths-Assists)
I don't know what else to really say about the topic but it was nice talking to you. Have a good one and Happy Holidays
YumScrumptious963 votesDude, this guy is either a troll or down right stupid. Its painful to watch you respond as he only ever answers "His Quinn is insane, did you see the penta? Will he do this in LCK" regardless of your answer.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesDang I didn't think about it like that ;[ got played like a fiddle.
Leo10241 votesWho knows, they might shift their entire strategy as a team since Peanut and Huni played different than Duke and Bengi
Duke who played tanks where Huni likes ranged champs and Bengi who played supportive jungle playstyle but Peanut prefers an aggressive playstyle
It all depends on what Kkoma says but so far there is no words as to who they'll play
Gehco1 votesWho knows, they might shift their entire strategy as a team since Peanut and Huni played different than Duke and Bengi
Duke who played tanks where Huni likes ranged champs and Bengi who played supportive jungle playstyle but Peanut prefers an aggressive playstyle
It all depends on what Kkoma says but so far there is no words as to who they'll play
I feel that SKT knew Huni was specialized in ranged top laners so transforming him into a tank is questionable to me. But again, I could be wrong. I feel the guy's talent is present in playing top laner ranged and making him play anything else will make him suck no?
Leo10241 votesHis Quinn has shown to be great but he's not completely new to melee champs, his Riven is terrific and i'm not sure what Kkomas plans are for Huni but they signed him for a reason and i'm sure he'll do good either way
Gehco1 votesHis Quinn has shown to be great but he's not completely new to melee champs, his Riven is terrific and i'm not sure what Kkomas plans are for Huni but they signed him for a reason and i'm sure he'll do good either way
is it that "fear factor" that made na teams ban quinn against huni in last years spring split?
Guyy Fieri1 votesDuke Marin and Impact all played their fair share of carries. Impact has a skin for Jax, Marin has one for Renekton and played a decent amount of Fiora. Duke played a lot of Jayce and Irelia.
GeminiRune1 votesHuni has always been known to play a carry style, as shown in the games he's had in which even when he's down, he still does what he can to get ahead for himself or for the team. However, with the meta as it is and what it looks like it'll be for the 6.24/7.1 start to the LCK season, Huni may be relegated to playing in accordance to the tank top style if he plays over Profit.
As for the overall team aspect, he may need to adopt to a style in which the likes of Duke or Marin had played in that an aim to get his team ahead over just himself unless the game has to come dependent on him. That's probably one of the major doubts I have for SKT in the early weeks; having power players in 4 of the 5 roles somehow waves a bit of caution to me. Granted, Faker can play both sides of the game (carry and supportive) so it might not matter as much.
Gehco1 votesHuni has always been known to play a carry style, as shown in the games he's had in which even when he's down, he still does what he can to get ahead for himself or for the team. However, with the meta as it is and what it looks like it'll be for the 6.24/7.1 start to the LCK season, Huni may be relegated to playing in accordance to the tank top style if he plays over Profit.
As for the overall team aspect, he may need to adopt to a style in which the likes of Duke or Marin had played in that an aim to get his team ahead over just himself unless the game has to come dependent on him. That's probably one of the major doubts I have for SKT in the early weeks; having power players in 4 of the 5 roles somehow waves a bit of caution to me. Granted, Faker can play both sides of the game (carry and supportive) so it might not matter as much.
Can he actually make his top ranged carry's work though? Can he carry with a Quinn pick? Is his Quinn good?
And what are some scenarios that could lead him to pick that champ in the top lane in the upcoming splits? Like what meta would shift him to make those picks?
GeminiRune1 votesI think that question comes down to pocket pick dependency. Back when he did play Quinn, there was still favor for a couple of marksman champs in other roles and back then it was dependent on if Rammus or some other hard armor tank being able to be countered.
Some good scenarios may come down to confidence in picking it into a certain matchup. Same applies to if the meta switches. Suppose if he picked it now or within the next few patches (should the meta seek an anti-tank solution) it'd probably be as a counter pick given how volatile the top lane can be in imbalanced matchups.
Gehco1 votesI think that question comes down to pocket pick dependency. Back when he did play Quinn, there was still favor for a couple of marksman champs in other roles and back then it was dependent on if Rammus or some other hard armor tank being able to be countered.
Some good scenarios may come down to confidence in picking it into a certain matchup. Same applies to if the meta switches. Suppose if he picked it now or within the next few patches (should the meta seek an anti-tank solution) it'd probably be as a counter pick given how volatile the top lane can be in imbalanced matchups.
Counterpick as against what champs? Would he pull Quinn for matchups against fiora, poppy?
GeminiRune1 votesI looked back to the 4 times (5 but one was all stars so I won't count it) that he has played Quinn. All of these matches were during the Spring Split (January and February)
Counter picked into Fiora vs FOX with a win...in under 20 mins. Blind picked into Malphite vs C9 with a win Counter picked into Poppy vs TL with a win Blind picked into Fiora vs CLG with a loss
Given that the meta is different in regards to certain itemization, it's possible that the pick can still work based off of the natural kit she has. Looking back, it makes me really think Huni just looked into the face of adversity and said "Bring it on. You die." But this time it's Korea, where the talent should be better than he's ever faced. He can still win whatever matchup of the meta he takes it in to, but we can't make an overall judgment just yet.
Gehco1 votesI looked back to the 4 times (5 but one was all stars so I won't count it) that he has played Quinn. All of these matches were during the Spring Split (January and February)
Counter picked into Fiora vs FOX with a win...in under 20 mins. Blind picked into Malphite vs C9 with a win Counter picked into Poppy vs TL with a win Blind picked into Fiora vs CLG with a loss
Given that the meta is different in regards to certain itemization, it's possible that the pick can still work based off of the natural kit she has. Looking back, it makes me really think Huni just looked into the face of adversity and said "Bring it on. You die." But this time it's Korea, where the talent should be better than he's ever faced. He can still win whatever matchup of the meta he takes it in to, but we can't make an overall judgment just yet.
he has stomped his opponents in NA, got penta, I wonder if he can do the same in LCK. Will his quinn actually be feared as it was in NA? Lmao I remember teams banning quinn against him in champ select during the split last year. I think maybe NA teams banned quinn against him maybe because they realized he would demolish anyone with her at top? I wonder if teams in LCK will do the same. It also depends how peanut is good at helping him out. Peanut and Huni might be a real big problem for teams.
that CLG loss was actually only because he was CAMPED HARD. But correct me if I am wrong. Him losing to Fiora just was embarrassing considering he beat a Fiora before under 20 minutes.
Sagan Forever1 votesMarin and duke were known for playing carries top; marin in solo que and duke in competive. When the meta favored tanks they played tanks and when it favored carries they played carries, and this make me think that Huni will play whatever is best for the team be it a carry or a tank.