As someone from NA

FancyKiwi·Apr 5, 2017·4 votes·1,338 views

I find EU so much more fun to watch. The teams over there know how to have fun while NA is the no fun zone. I mean Roccat played AP Nasus mid in a series where if they lost they were out of playoffs. I get playing seriously in games that matter and will never fault a team for doing it but if you are locked into a place no matter what why not have some fun? Like NV was in last no matter what so why not play some goofy or fun picks in their last games? Eu also actually play to win so there are fights and teams making moves rather than in NA where it seems like every team plays to not lose which is like two people staring at each other daring the other to make the first move. This is all in general and there are clearly exceptions to this but over all EU is much more enjoyable to watch.

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BigBellBruteApr 5, 20173 votes

There wasn't much goofing around on NA's last day because all four games had playoff implications for seeding and two of them had implications for who gets in.

TSM needed a win to lock up top seed. Imt and Dig were in a game where the winner was in. Dig could not lose. IMT had a scenario where they could lose but it didn't come to pass. Flyquest had to win just one game to make the playoffs. But they didn't know that until the IMT match was over. Liquid needed a match win to avoid the relegation promotion tourney. CLG's game had seeding implications for them. NV was locked.

FancyKiwiApr 5, 20172 votes

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There wasn't much goofing around on NA's last day because all four games had playoff implications for seeding and two of them had implications for who gets in.

TSM needed a win to lock up top seed. Imt and Dig were in a game where the winner was in. Dig could not lose. IMT had a scenario where they could lose but it didn't come to pass. Flyquest had to win just one game to make the playoffs. But they didn't know that until the IMT match was over. Liquid needed a match win to avoid the relegation promotion tourney. CLG's game had seeding implications for them. NV was locked.

I know and like I said I understand that a lot of the teams needed to lock down matches for their places and I get and totally understand them sticking to the strong, meta champs and that is fine. However, it doesn't change that NA teams tend to play to not lost as oppose to win like other regions which is what ultimately makes it less enjoyable for me to watch. Even the matches in EU where they pick the most meta team possible it's still more exciting to watch, IMO.

Ale non è maleApr 5, 20172 votes

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Even the matches in EU where they pick the most meta team possible it's still more exciting to watch, IMO.

That's because EU teams are overall just better (until proven otherwise) than NA despite having generally worse imports and less star power

BigBellBruteApr 6, 20172 votes

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That's because EU teams are overall just better (until proven otherwise) than NA despite having generally worse imports and less star power

Is that why EU went 0-4 vs NA last worlds?

Ale non è maleApr 7, 20172 votes

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Is that why EU went 0-4 vs NA last worlds?

Is that why NA was overall worse than EU at Worlds? Bla bla bla, fanboy thing, bla bla bla

obviously you jumped the gun without even trying to read the post

BigBellBruteApr 7, 20172 votes

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Is that why NA was overall worse than EU at Worlds? Bla bla bla, fanboy thing, bla bla bla

obviously you jumped the gun without even trying to read the post

Yeah sure. The second best record of any region in group stage at worlds (NA) is worse than the worst (EU) In fact, EU had the two worst teams. The only EU team that did squat didn't have to play a single Korean or NA team. They got a dream draw in the quarters and got dumpstered by the first real team they faced.

Blah blah blah Eurotrash fanboi BS. Blah blah blah.

Obviously you haven't a clue.

Ale non è maleApr 7, 20172 votes

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Yeah sure. The second best record of any region in group stage at worlds (NA) is worse than the worst (EU) In fact, EU had the two worst teams. The only EU team that did squat didn't have to play a single Korean or NA team. They got a dream draw in the quarters and got dumpstered by the first real team they faced.

Blah blah blah Eurotrash fanboi BS. Blah blah blah.

Obviously you haven't a clue.

Yeah you are just fanboying, given how the only team that got through group stage for NA was really bad and got a super lucky draw and team literally choking in huge clownfiestas against them

How to make a controversy out of nowhere

dakm102Apr 6, 20172 votes

I think the large problem with this view is that some of the largest clown fiestas in League history have been from EU this split. there are way too many games decided by random stuff like backdoors or baron throws or one decisive team fight compared to NA. Is it sometimes more exciting? yes. but is it objectively BETTER play? no. the reason they get into these scenarios is mechanical and team decision mistakes. you compare NV to OG and it is obvious who is going to win. I think that the middle of the pack teams in both regions are pretty even but I think when you look at the regions as a whole NA is looking stronger since even G2 doesn't look super consistent in most of their matches, and it is in a region with less bottom table power. G2 won two series off of last second nexus defenses and winning just off of death timers. that is not good play, that is barely scraping it together cause the enemy team overcommits cause they are getting hyphy thinking "omg we are going to beat G2 focus nexus go go go" and forget that G2 does dmg. That isn't good play and while I will not say NA teams are great, they are definitely better than the way Eu is looking right now. P1 beats H2k easily since if H2k does one of their really dumb fights P1 will capitalize on it greatly. C9 can beat G2 in the late game which has been shown to be G2's strongest point. TSM vs UOL is the one matchup between the top three I think is EU favored and that is cause TSM is horrible with dealing with aggression generally which is what makes them always so dominant in NA since we do have a lot of passive teams (aka NV, DIG, C9, P1 in certain cases, and CLG when they aren't on point). so in short no EU is not better than NA based on what their games are looking like and how their top teams play is looking going into playoffs

Ale non è maleApr 7, 20172 votes

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I think the large problem with this view is that some of the largest clown fiestas in League history have been from EU this split. there are way too many games decided by random stuff like backdoors or baron throws or one decisive team fight compared to NA.

NA has had a ton of clownfiestas this season and in the past seasons But bias towards NA was still there from NA viewers. The thing is, right now given the level of import you see the HUGE difference in level of play between the top imports and the worst NA players in the league, and honestly is not funny even a little bit to see someone getting shitstomped by his direct opponent If you look across the EU board, you expect better teams to stomp lower teams, but you rarely are going to say: "OK, this is the match-up that is going to win the game for this team". And this makes games funnier because it gives you unexpected things to look at game by game

dakm102Apr 7, 20171 votes

For sure it is more fun to watch sometimes but I mentioned that in my post, is it better play though? not really. and the number of clownfiestas this split have been far less than in EU. thanks for replying though :D

Ale non è maleApr 7, 20171 votes

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For sure it is more fun to watch sometimes but I mentioned that in my post, is it better play though? not really. and the number of clownfiestas this split have been far less than in EU. thanks for replying though :D

Not in the clownfiestas, but the real EU clownfiestas have been much less than what you were counting (more than NA, that's true). Have a lot of baron fights and teams stealing them is not automatically equal to clownfiestas, you should know, otherwise Dig had a ton of clownfiestas this year too

BigBellBruteApr 7, 20171 votes

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NA has had a ton of clownfiestas this season and in the past seasons But bias towards NA was still there from NA viewers. The thing is, right now given the level of import you see the HUGE difference in level of play between the top imports and the worst NA players in the league, and honestly is not funny even a little bit to see someone getting shitstomped by his direct opponent If you look across the EU board, you expect better teams to stomp lower teams, but you rarely are going to say: "OK, this is the match-up that is going to win the game for this team". And this makes games funnier because it gives you unexpected things to look at game by game

When you have Origen in your LCS, you have absolutely nothing to say about other regions worst. They were so bad that the trick wasn't in figuring out which matchup was going to get dumpstered, but which one was going to get dumpstered the worst.

Ale non è maleApr 7, 20171 votes

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When you have Origen in your LCS, you have absolutely nothing to say about other regions worst. They were so bad that the trick wasn't in figuring out which matchup was going to get dumpstered, but which one was going to get dumpstered the worst.

WOW, mention the obvious outlier, what a good argument you bring /s Should be talk about the fact that NA CS team were so bad that they couldn't even beat freaking Piglet and Ninja mid in the promotion tournament?

Origen is terrible because for some reason they held on that tragedy of player that actually is NaeHyun, and they are likely going to pay for this HUGE mistake, because there are actually roster good enough to make them pay

Earl EulrichApr 7, 20171 votes

yea, unfortunatly Riot tuned the game accoridngly to the "not lose" playstyle, as making a single mistake can now end the game very fast - so playing activly to win moslty puts yourself at risk to throw at some point.

And that´s basically why Koreans dominate the game so much right now, they always played the "save" approach (with the exception of SSW in S4, those guys really had been so far ahead of anyone to just run over them from start to finish) and mastered it to perfection...so currently you see a lot of comps that have no reliable way to engage a fight but tons of ways to disengage and punish the opponent for not engaging absolutly perfectly - and then they just turtle it out till a desperate opponent tries the one engage that will end in a total disaster and the game ends from there.

It´s just the sad thruth that playing activly to win needs a lot more skill then just avoiding any risk and win by the opponents single mistake eventually, mostly because Riot added way to much disengage tools and got rid of many good engage tools over the past years. And it really makes the game more and more boring to play and watch. Unfortunatly Riot does seem to like that sort of "gameplay", though it´s the total opposite of what attracted players to the game in the first place (just watch any M5 games during S2...just marvelous active gameplay - and even then you had CLG.EU proving that the defensive aproach already had been viable in a lot more risk friendly environment).

GeminiRuneApr 5, 20172 votes

While there are opinions that tie to the discussion well and even facts to bring forth such as Europe being one of the better regions in innovation, BigBellBrute pretty much sums up where your qualms are regarding interest towards regional competition. I feel like part of your statement has also discredited Flyquest completely for their zany and off the wall picks, which progressively fell off along with their top status standings.

You mention the Roccat game particularly and how Betsy locked in an AP Nasus (I swear I just wanna say Susan). However, do you recall or know the style of play that has worked for him in general throughout their upswing? He had both of his reliable picks banned and since it was a game 1, it was like taking a chance. Saying it was goofy or fun is kind of an understatement because it's Betsy: one of the only players who actually brings Swain to mid lane. There usually a difference between playing a pocket pick for a purpose and just playing something for sheer entertainment, potentially by VIT Djoko with his Shaco picks.

Given the close packed competition that NA had the entire split, it's plain obvious why teams aside from FlyQuest actually attempted to throw a bit of spice in their play. The top teams had to frequently prove themselves of global respect while the middle and bottom teams had to climb out of some deep holes in time for playoffs. And by the final day of the split, there were still 8 placements in the standings yet to even be decided! You didn't get that tight of a story with EU this time around. You had far more teams settled into their placements and the degree of seriousness to casualness was still evident. Roccat vs G2 is a pretty bad example to use to make your point. And to an extent, so is H2K vs Splyce.

GhostOfTsushimaApr 5, 20172 votes

EU is so boring

Half of their own Community rather watch NA

EU still crying about all the IMPORT LMAO

when will their tears stop, no one know it just keep dripping

Maybe get IMPORTs of your own? Which they are but still crying Like some hypocrite shit right? Am I Right?

LCS is a career for most of these players, its not a playground

If you want to win, you get the best IMPORT you can

DeadTranniesApr 5, 20172 votes

I also enjoy watching EU makes me feel better about my own play watching others worse than myself.

BigBellBruteApr 7, 20171 votes

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I also enjoy watching EU makes me feel better about my own play watching others worse than myself.

Well nothing can make me forget my terrible play for long. But watching Origin be so terrible and get dumpstered all the time sure helped for an instant. Man they got beat by Misfits Academy in promos. Gave up a Penta too. LMAO, I will be insufferably pleased with my play for at least 15 more minutes until the reality that I totally suck mechanically sets back in.