Champion Updates - Why Update Ryze Again?

RiotReav3·6/15/2016, 4:22:48 PM·1 votes·83,572 views

Hey guys, Reav3 here, Product Lead of Champion Updates. Ever since the Ryze visual and gameplay update (VGU) was announced we have been seeing a lot of questions regarding Ryze and why we're working on him. I thought it might be good to outline some of the reasons we chose to do a bigger Ryze update so soon after the last one. ** Why another Ryze Update?**

The decision to prioritize a Ryze VGU was actually due to many small reasons that came together to justify an update. I'll list out some of the thinking below.

A few years back, Riot put together a team called "Foundations" with the goal of developing the look, feel, history, and character of the various parts of the world and its inhabitants. This is the team doing many of the new character bios and the big narrative events you have seen recently (like Shadows of Fortune and the recent Shurima Stories/Bios). We were talking a lot with the foundations team about Ryze and we all wanted to further establish his importance in Runeterra, something we’d never fully solidified previously, and reflect that importance in-game. Since we recently changed our strategy on Champion Update to focus mainly on champions that need Gameplay, this alone wasn't enough to work on Ryze, but we did talk about it. That's reason number one.

The second reason is that honestly the last gameplay iteration of Ryze just didn't hit the mark we wanted. He is either WAY too strong in an experienced player's hands or struggles significantly in a inexperienced players hands. We have tried multiple iterations of "Machine-gun Mage" that “does tons of damage,” and we felt it might be time to try something a little different. While we still want to preserve the iconic feeling of a "Machine-Gun Mage" we thought we could take this opportunity to add something more unique Ryze’s kit. By giving him something more unique we could tone down the “does tons of damage” bit. We also wanted to make a Ryze that had more interesting decisions in his kit and was less reliant on how fast you can push all his buttons in the correct order. On the surface Ryze’s kit can look very simple but he was deceptively hiding one of the highest mastery curve kits in the game. The advantage of dedicating a huge art team to a champion update is that design is free to change and alter whatever they need to. Which brings me to my third reason.

Back when we were doing the last gameplay update to Ryze we actually were also doing a visual update for him. We had a model close to completion but lacked a strong narrative direction and Voice Over to tie his thematic together, so we chose to simply release the gameplay with a texture update. Having a near-complete model/rig meant that we could have an accelerated production process on Ryze should we ever revisit him.

The fact that we felt we needed to go in a different design direction with Ryze's kit, coupled with the fact that we wanted to reinforce Ryze as a key figure made Ryze a prime candidate for a full VGU. That we also had a 80% complete model and could do the update in much less time than a typical VGU was just icing on the cake for what was already looking like a promising rework.

Is Ryze going to delay Yorick, our big VGU planned for release after Ryze?

The answer to this is no. Ryze has not delayed the Yorick Update. We currently have three separate groups on the Champion Update team. Two of the groups work on our big updates (Sion/Taric level) and the third works on the Roster projects, like the recent Marksmen & Mage class changes. The group that worked on Poppy rolled onto Yorick shortly after Poppy released. The group that worked on Taric rolled onto Ryze shortly after Taric released. Ryze's scope is smaller than Yorick's and due to the reason I mentioned above (Having a near complete model/rig,) Ryze will most likely come out before Yorick.

I'll be monitoring this post over the next week or so, so feel free to ask any questions you have and I'll try to answer as many as I can.

Reav3

253 Comments

Nefas6/15/2016, 6:02:34 PM13 votes

The real complaint isn't that Ryze will delay Yorick, it's that yet another Ryze update delays other champs that have been neglected far more than Ryze, who continues to receive work after multiple failed incarnations. I don't feel like the opportunity cost of working on Ryze yet again was addressed at all here.

WarWork6/15/2016, 7:35:16 PM7 votes

Hey Reav3,

I wanted to ask about the Warwick rework (rewick, warwork). The first question being for far along the pipeline (pupline) is he? Who's working on him? What do you think works and doesn't work on his kit? What needs to be played up or removed? How do you feel about him being a drain tank currently? Will he have decent pre 6 ganking capabilities? And finally what direction are you currently thinking of taking him?

Alien Kink VR6/15/2016, 5:11:44 PM6 votes

Really petty question, but Im part of the group that plays a lot of Ryze and really loves him. The "Blue Man Group" if you will. On every skin the rogue mage has, all of his spells look the same. Any change of (finally) new particles for his different skins? Green for Zombie, Gold for Professor, Star Spangled for Uncle, etc? Its such a small thing to complain about but you probably know better than I that the league community loves them some unique particles.

broader and more important questions relevant to actual gameplay: Glad to see you're maintaining the Machine gun identity too, that's a relief. Will the next iteration keep the same mastery curve? I like that when I do well on Ryze and Azir, people are impressed and have kind words on both teams. I fear he will be watered down and more accessible, which is something that needs to exist in the champion pool overall and I get that, but I fear of having the "fancy" feeling pulled out from under me. Will I still be able to, as the kids say, "Style on those fools?"

ZeronEve6/15/2016, 5:49:07 PM5 votes

Sooo what about Aatrox? Xin gets (and has been getting) a bunch of buffs that make him basically a better version of Aatrox, the rest of the bruisers see play and have generally outshined Aatrox in the past, the only items that made him viable (devourer + tank items) were nerfed, and Ryze is getting his 50th rework.

T8 Speedwagon6/15/2016, 5:25:33 PM5 votes

Wanted to ask one thing about reworks. I see that when a new champ or a rework gets in game, you add new quotes/interactions with other champs. Now my question is "will older champs, who do not require a VGU, get a "quote update" to add interactions with the new champs who are related to these old ones?" To be more clear, will we ever get to hear diana or pantheon their opinions/interactions with Aurelion Sol? I love new champs and reworks especially because they bring new pieces of lore in game, gaining more interest and ,sometimes, empathy towards your champ.

Ichabod Kong6/15/2016, 7:12:42 PM5 votes

Why'd you guys decide to make Sion a tank over his used to be Bruiser status? Just wondering, not really hating, because you guys have been doing some good work. :) I used to build him full AP back then (Still do, but that's besides the point).

redfeenix6/15/2016, 8:48:25 PM4 votes

Hey,

Some of the updates you guys do are great ! (Sion, Tariq). Other ones are lackluster/ make the champion worse (Shen, Morde).

Why / how are bad updates pushed? I'm not hating, I'm trying to understand how the behind the scenes workflow goes, so maybe we can improve in the future.

Regarding Ryze: Consider removing that CDR bs on passive. I think the "machine gun mage" is great WHEN HE ULTS. So he can only be a machine gun beast for a few seconds.

Perhaps his ult can read "Gain movement speed, and all basic spells have a cooldown of 1 second for 7 seconds" etc

Thanks for being transparent. At least one person there shares with us. Gl !

Edit: made a rant about updating/ruining my favourite champs (shen, morde) here : http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/HwHcafBg-opinion-these-champion-reworks-made-the-characters-worse

DartExplosion106/15/2016, 4:29:52 PM3 votes

With Yorick's update are you going to update his skin(s) like what was done with Emerald Taric?

Joseraph6/17/2016, 3:04:37 PM1 votes

Speaking of updating champions again, what do you guys have planned (if anything) for Mordekaiser? Are you going to try to balance him again for duo lanes, seeing as the only way that worked last time was when his numbers were (FAR) too high, or are we going to see a solo lane Death Knight, and another champ take the "Melee Adc" role?