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Patch Chat with the Playtest Team - Patch 7.13

RiotRiot King Cobra·6/27/2017, 8:43:33 PM·1 votes·12,576 views

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Hey, everyone! I'm Riot King Cobra and it's time for another round of Patch Chat! These threads serve as opportunity for us to talk about the patches that come out every two weeks. You can find the most recent patch by following this link: Patch 7.13 Notes.

I'm on Riot's Playtest Team, a group of high elo players who play with the new champions, reworks, balance tweaks, items, and map updates before they are released. It's our job to the test the changes that our designers come up with and ensure that we're introducing positive changes to League in terms of both balance and fun. Ask us questions - we'll try to answer as many as we can!

Patch 7.13 brings about the new Honor system! We also toned down Galio a bit, gave Gnar, Poppy, Maokai, and Rek'Sai some love, and made adjustments to a number of other champions like Kindred, Shaco, and Kha'Zix. This patch also contains a newly reworked Abyssal Mask and a buffed up Adaptive Helm!

All of us on the Playtest Team are avid gamers so feel free to talk to us as fellow LoL players!

Ben “Cezium” Burkhardt Don “Aesah” Ding Dan “penguin” Hardison Robert “ROBERTxLEE” Lee Rob "King Cobra" Rosa Nicholas “Nickwu” Smith Blake “S0be” Soberanis Trevor “ThEntropist” Thernes Arnor "Hjarta" Halldorsson Brian "Madness Heroo" Pressoir

78 Comments

CrazFight 6/27/2017, 8:45:20 PM5 votes

1: Can I just say the best thing about this patch is the fact that rammus dance now scales with movement speed. Well played rito well played. https://gyazo.com/4d9bbdf7bb33ac323aeb7ecdaf2505bf.png

2: On a more serious note, how do you guys feel about shaco, was his change intended to be a buff or nerf and what direction does riot overall want him to go towards (Ap or Ad build).

3: Lastly , do you fear the honor system will be abused by duo's that will just honor eachother every game or is there a built in system against that.

Sw4de6/27/2017, 9:03:36 PM5 votes

**Thoughts on catchup XP? **

**Thoughts on strength of jungle? **

Thoughts on junglers being able to do stuff like this?

https://clips.twitch.tv/StrongNaiveGullNinjaGrumpy

A 1/2 jungler is a better assassin than a 4/1 midlaner, all the best assassins in the game are junglers, kha/elise/leesin

i am still wondering when this gank/supportive role turned into the biggest carry in the game, jungle as a role spends 80-90% of the early game playing PVE in fog of war, and get to keep up in carry power with a role that from minute 1 is literally fighting for every single shred of gold and xp they can get, with another actual player whose sole goal is to deny you those resources

Junglers get to practically decide matchups on all 3 lanes at any point, and for that massive early game impact and influence on the entire map that laners could never match, they naturally should get outscaled, what kind of risk reward do you want the roles to have if the safest roles are also mid to late game damage carries.

in early seasons a jungler would never dream of being stupid enough to try 1v1 a fed assassin let alone actually being a better assassin who didnt even have to lane and is not even as fed. Before s6 a low elo jungler would try something like this, end up doing 50% of the enemy's health and then getting blown up for thinking they can take on a fed 100% hp carry alone.

**Thoughts on Combat Smites? ** Do Junglers really need more power in 1v1's? why does their objective power also double as a combat summoner, this was introduced at a time when junglers were gold/xp starved, that is most definitely not the case now.

Would also like to know what the role of assassins are? They can't teamfight and bruisers are better split pushers, none of them have any place in the game except snowballing on bad players on the enemy team, if you dont get a bunch of kills all assassins are just straight up bad champions with no clear role in the game, they need some strength that isnt "punish bad players", it's why we almost never see a balanced assassin in competitive play, you can't rely on getting fed on bad players in competitive, and they have no other real strengths that they bring to a team. The assassin rework added counterplay to their only strength and didnt give them any clear role in the game.

Jar Jar binks l6/27/2017, 9:33:17 PM3 votes

Since u are buffing the Jaggernauts like Udyr, is Volibear also on the radar for a small buff untiö his full vgu update?

NinjaGuy696/27/2017, 8:50:48 PM3 votes

This softball's going out to you King Cobra: Fiora nerfs when?

Kirwis6/27/2017, 9:08:55 PM3 votes

Hey Riot Team :) How do you feel about the dropping winrate of Ryze Ryze ? Will he get some changes? I would love to get your opinion about that.

Vekkna6/27/2017, 9:18:16 PM3 votes

The new Abyssal Mask seems to fill a very long-term gap in itemization, specifically a tanky mana + MR item that works as a rush item on champs like Gragas Malphite Maokai Nautilus Sejuani Amumu Singed

It also seems like a very strong option for certain mages in extremely bad matchups - the kind of matchups where you win lane by not feeding the Syndra (for example). Or as a single mid/late defensive item versus low-counterplay threats like Zac or Veigar ult.

To me, the new Mask seems insanely slot efficient with the mix of hp, mana, sustain, resist, CDR, and +10% magic damage. In testing did it seem as strong as it looks on paper? Which champs are the biggest winners and losers with this item? (Singed seems like a huge winner since he has a rushable item against some of his biggest counters)

Spideraxe6/27/2017, 8:52:52 PM2 votes

Hey guys, can I potentially ask about Kayn? What was it like playing him? Any transformation you thought were cooler over the other? Runes, masteries and builds?

Inundacion6/27/2017, 9:44:31 PM2 votes

Hi there, What's your opinion on Malzahar? Some people found frustrating the lack of counterplay against his flash+ult combo. He has point-and-click poke with E, his voidlings are ruining all possible Malz chasing with that damage, and Q has stupidly short CD for an AOE silence. Lane phase is extremely save with passive and huge waveclear. His winrate is about 54-55%.

Sqkerg6/27/2017, 10:26:45 PM2 votes

What do you think about Syndra atm?

Djengo446/27/2017, 9:01:59 PM2 votes

Hi guys, I have a question about the Cinderhulk buffs and how it will affect Zac. I know he took some damage nerfs last patch however me and many others feel like this doesn't really hinder him at all since he pretty much has the best CC tools out of any jungler and can be incredibly tanky as well. With Cinderhulk allowing faster jungle clears do you feel that will make Zac even more bonkers than he currently is?

LKV26/28/2017, 1:31:58 PM2 votes

So, now that we know that Varus holds a Darkin, what's his name???

Carnicore6/27/2017, 11:35:56 PM1 votes

Hi broskies!

  • What are your expectations for Kindred's performance this coming patch?

  • Are you aware that Rek'Sai was seeing competitive play already? I noticed you have some large buffs for her.

  • Are Lucian and Xayah the only champions in the game with spell animations that get shorter as the game progresses?

  • What are your thoughts on Singed? I noticed you tried+retracted a lot of changes during the PBE cycle.

  • Any interest in creating a jungle item enchantment catering to Crit users such as Kindred, Twitch, and Master Yi?

Veraska6/27/2017, 9:26:20 PM1 votes

How y'all feelin about my boy kha'zix right now, he's a pretty strong solo Q pick and a b tier jungle in pro play, yet the nerds are pretty light (and even have compensation buffs!) Are you guys planning to tone him down further or do you think these changes missed the mark of your goals?

zZVersusZz7/1/2017, 1:17:31 PM1 votes

Hi, this is not a complaining comment but i would like to ask what do u think about kassadin right now? He is meant to be a mage counter but he can still do pretty decently vs ad champs. With Aeon and doran shield (+ his W for mana return) he pretty much can sustain forever and there's nothing laner can do when he keeps poking with his q then all in. Personally i would like his armor or health to be lower or have more mana cost on his q. Plz consider!

Raxistaicho6/28/2017, 1:54:31 AM1 votes

Two questions:

Which of Kayn's forms do you prefer?

Did Kayn's edginess ever go past the point of being ironically hilarious and get annoying for any of you?

AGR Dragosaur6/28/2017, 4:06:56 AM1 votes

So the patch notes we're released earlier today, but my client is still on 7.12.

Is it just me, or is the patch not live yet? If so, when will it be available?