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R.I.P. League Boards Moderation Staff

xAcidik··13 votes·5,953 views

I won't point to any specific topics or users to make this point, but I want you guys to take it to heart anyway.

Stop freaking out about moderators of the boards. No one is trying to silence your opinions, no one is singling you out, and honestly, the staff of these boards really don't care about you beyond the care that they extend naturally to other human beings. Not because they are insensitive, but just because you are a STRANGER to them, and your context in their lives is that of a stranger that may be 100s of miles away who uses the boards that they are tasked to moderate.

As an experienced forum administrator myself (albeit on boards far, far smaller than this) it pains me to see user behavior like this. I'm seeing people make spectacles of themselves while they soft-flame (or hard-flame, depending on the circumstances) the forum staff for doing their jobs. Say, for example, your post was removed and you believed such a removal was unjustified. How is it okay to respond as if you were personally attacked, making a public post of yourself to rally the masses to your side? You were not sanctioned in any way, with a warning, a ban, or anything of the such. But it was SUCH an injustice that you had to make a public spectacle of yourself, rather than simply messaging the mod, or responding in the same thread, or just moving on?

Or what about silencing negative feedback? If a post criticizing the boards staff was removed, it is almost always because there was a personal attack made against one or more staff members and the topic became a shit storm that was impossible to moderate. You cannot attack someone with toxicity and claim it was a defense or simple constructive criticism and that you were okay. It's just like in the game guys: Someone flaming you does not give you grounds to flame them back. Flame is still flame, and in the case of the board staff, it seems that users are flaming staff for perceived wrongdoing where there is none, and where their posts are dealt with and moderated correctly, it is taken as perfect evidence as to why they are exactly right.

There is no power trip euphoria associated with moderating boards. Honestly, unless someone is personally attacked, it is usually quite dull. Remove this comment for spam, that comment for contributing nothing, the other one for necro-posting.

I'm gonna stop now. I don't want to come off too insulting to individuals who display this sort of behavior. I just wanted to defend the forum staff.

As a final note: These people work very hard to produce a presentable community for you to come and discuss all things League, good and bad, and that's it. They shouldn't be treated as all-powerful and unjust gods bent on ruining your life.

14 Comments

Kaisha7 votes

Toxicity on forums is a top down phenomenon. If the devs weren't so blatantly toxic, and the mods so keen to defend their toxic behaviour, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Hotarµ9 votes

That... is not how things work.

** Boards Moderation Team =/= Riot.**

It's not morally right or constructive to flame them.

Regardless of the state of the game, don't shoot the messenger. Speaking strictly on the topic of harassing the Boards moderation team, it's not right to pick on them for enforcing the very lenient and clearly laid out rules that have been given to us. It also isn't right to hate them for enforcing it, because their team is completely separate from Riot save for a few community interactions (through Rioters like Keyru.)

xAcidik4 votes

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That... is not how things work.

** Boards Moderation Team =/= Riot.**

It's not morally right or constructive to flame them.

Regardless of the state of the game, don't shoot the messenger. Speaking strictly on the topic of harassing the Boards moderation team, it's not right to pick on them for enforcing the very lenient and clearly laid out rules that have been given to us. It also isn't right to hate them for enforcing it, because their team is completely separate from Riot save for a few community interactions (through Rioters like Keyru.)

This. They are entirely separate entities with entirely separate superiors, job descriptions, etc.

Kaisha2 votes

{quoted}

That... is not how things work.

** Boards Moderation Team =/= Riot.**

It's not morally right or constructive to flame them.

Regardless of the state of the game, don't shoot the messenger. Speaking strictly on the topic of harassing the Boards moderation team, it's not right to pick on them for enforcing the very lenient and clearly laid out rules that have been given to us. It also isn't right to hate them for enforcing it, because their team is completely separate from Riot save for a few community interactions (through Rioters like Keyru.)

Oh I made a point to include BOTH of them as being partially responsible.

GenoXx5 votes

No one is trying to silence your opinions,

Yes they do.

ModThe Djinn5 votes

{quoted}Yes they do.

"Trying to silence your opinions" implies an agenda other than "make sure the rules are followed." We silence some opinions, but not any more than, say, an usher at a movie theater telling you that you need to stop telling the guy in the seat next to you what a loser you think he is.

Some opinions just aren't suitable for expression in all environments, and some people simply don't want to respect the rules that state which opinions that is not the appropriate venue for.

ChickenWrap4 votes

Hey, thanks bud. We try hard for you guys! Much appreciated!

xAcidik3 votes

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Hey, thanks bud. We try hard for you guys! Much appreciated!

Of course ^_^

Karn Bishop4 votes

They could make their lives so much easier by being more flexible with general discussion and allowing folks to talk about history and other topics so long as its not a thread advocating violence/death/witch hunting.

Though i understand they wont and will rehash some canned line about how we need universal safe spaces and how learning from past historical mistakes are bad because we all know riot has serious issues ever admitting they make mistakes and will push forward with poor decisions because changing them is basically admitting they were wrong which they don't like doing.

edit: yes i know mods are not rioters but the forum guidelines come from / are suggested from riot.

ModThe Djinn5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=mUrradcg,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-01T05:44:58.804+0000)Though i understand they wont and will rehash some canned line about how we need universal safe spaces and how learning from past historical mistakes are bad..

That's never been something we've said. I'd love to allow discussions on politics and history, but we've allowed them in the past on the boards, and almost without fail they quickly turn into a firestorm of people behaving poorly towards each other every time we make an exception for some important event, we end up having to moderate a lot more. We still do make exceptions for certain issues as they arise, but every time we do so it heavily increases the moderation burden, the overall toxicity of the board, and the number of people who end up receiving punishments.

In short, these discussions are not prohibited because of their topics inherently, but due to the manner in which the community has historically treated these topics. If I saw a noticeable decrease in the vitriol with which some members of the community interact with those of differing political or social beliefs, I'd personally absolutely consider lifting those restrictions for another test period to see how things go.

ZT Xperimentor3 votes

"No one is trying to silence your opinions, no one is singling you out" Try commenting on some extremes in real life, and you'll quickly see that's not the case anymore.

xAcidik1 votes

[{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=mUrradcg,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-05-01T13:08:12.498+0000)

"No one is trying to silence your opinions, no one is singling you out" Try commenting on some extremes in real life, and you'll quickly see that's not the case anymore.

w0t? What context does your statement even have with this topic?

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

You know the moderators are real people too, and not just some leashed ais right? Everyone has opinions and biases, including the mods, some are just not as respectable as others.

ModRowanstar1 votes

Thank you. I haven't really been involved in conflicts. Mostly observing and trying to help the people of this Forum. But when I do feel ready to jump in and do bigger tasks, my goal is to be accountable to the other team members and the board people so that I make the best decisions.

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