Here's What I've Learned From Practicing Jungle...

xAcidik·6/4/2019, 10:18:34 PM·81 votes·17,129 views

First, I recommend everyone do this. Jungle is the only role that can be anywhere on the map in laning phase, and understanding what they do and why can stop you from tilting and even open your eyes to the possibility they are doing their best with their given resources. Anyway, here's what I've learned:

  1. The Jungler needs you just as badly as you need him. If you have your lane shoved in, and see your jungler nearby, especially in river or enemy jungle, path toward them, even if you only end up walking partway before you have to return to lane. You have nothing better to do in lane other than watch the enemy laner farm under tower, and it is an opportunity for deep vision because you have the strength of two people walking into hostile territory rather than one. Not to mention, if you run into someone along the way, it is often a free kill.

  2. If you regularly pick a champion without reliable CC, don't expect a gank unless you have perfect wave management, and stop complaining about it. We can't help you. Even Nasus Wither is often good enough, but if you're picking Illaoi and can't get the wave to stand in a good place, you're out of luck.

  3. If you're losing lane, you can be helped. If you play safe and save your CC for a jungle gank, and you avoid pushing, you can be helped. However, if you're feeding, getting solo killed etc., you usually cannot be helped and your goal is, at this point, to build safely, farm where you can, and avoid giving up more kills. Your goal is NOT to make risky plays to gain a comeback unless EVERYONE else on your team is behind and the only option is for SOMEONE to do SOMETHING.

  4. Sometimes, there are just better options to gank. Yes, Nasus top may be a gankable lane, but I'm going to camp the Draven Nautilus lane, thanks. I'll still gank your lane, but you need to manage your wave around me, because I'm optimizing my clear around bot lane. Your wave needs to be in a good place when I'm clearing my top jungle near you.

  5. Top lane is a hard lane to gank. Not in being difficult to execute, but being top means you're not around for the Drake play. Optimize your picks so that you can win lane alone, and consider ganks a bonus. Pick safely if you pick first, and counterpick if you pick after your lane opponent.

  6. Mid/Jungle are just as reliant on each other as ADC/support. A midlaner that does what I mentioned in item 1 is my best friend, and in turn I'll get you fed. The team with river control is the team that gets Drakes, herald, scuttle, and ultimately, baron, and has better control over gank paths, and if I am trying to secure that control alone vs. a jungle/mid that do it together, I will lose, and we will lose the game. As a midlaner, play around your jungler.

  7. It is nearly as important for a support to do these same things, and perhaps the only reason it is more important for mid is because they can rotate in two directions instead of one.

  8. The jungler cannot be everywhere. They enter the game with a gameplan and priorities, same as you. Just because you aren't their priority doesn't make them or their decision to prioritize another lane or objective bad. It also doesn't mean prioritizing you instead would be a bad option. There are just differing play styles and game plans among all junglers, even in Challenger, the ELO that is most optimized for efficiency.

  9. Ganks are usually incredibly easy to predict, and the reason they often work is just because you are so intent on getting that wave shoved before you back that you ignore how bad your positioning is and your lack of vision. Three minions does not justify a death.

  10. Junglers that clear away from Infernal Drake are trolling. Junglers that gank top with an Infernal up when they are level 7 are trolling. Junglers that invade the enemy top jungle with Infernal up are trolling. Other drakes apply here too, Infernal is just the most snowbally one.

  11. The jungler should not engage the fight for a gank unless you have a gap closer and they have reliable CC. Otherwise, the jungler should be showing themselves AFTER the engagement has begun. DON'T expect them to run in solo when they're a lower level (bc jungle) just to get turned on.

  12. Laners need to try to secure vision control in strong gank paths near their lane. It means you can't be ganked easily, and I can gank for you more easily.

  13. It is worth missing the wave shoved under your tower to follow up on my gank. If you're shoved in and I gank just to have you ignoring me, I won't visit your lane again.

There are tons more items I can bring up, but the goal here was to tell you how to enable your jungler (with my slight rant about junglers ignoring drakes because it's a pet peeve). If you can enable your jungler, they can enable you. At the end of the day, the jungler can often be looked at as a second support during laning phase. They cannot do a lot by themselves, but helping them will allow you to do more than either of you can do alone. They cannot and should not be expected to carry the laning phase.

65 Comments

AnotherFeeder6/4/2019, 11:16:31 PM19 votes

Nice tips.

I'd like to add some matchup info as well.

If your jungler is a carry, they are going to path to get themselves ahead. If they're a tanky initiator, they're more likely to path to get their win condition lanes ahead.

Some junglers are going to probably PvE till 6, like eve. It's not a good idea to force fights, even when they're in the area, if you have one of these junglers. Their success is mostly dictated by how quickly they are able to hit 6.

Warding pixel brush at around 1:15 helps the jg out alot.

adceazyas1236/5/2019, 12:34:03 AM13 votes
  1. 3 minions,sure . an entire wave and a half? no. your pathing is bad in that case and your vision on the state of the wave.
ANearMiss6/4/2019, 10:51:57 PM9 votes

I like it, nifty tips to help my jg game and what to look for on map when im doing bot.

The thigh guy6/4/2019, 10:24:59 PM7 votes

Just remember. This post will be downvoted to hell. Because jungle op.

I agree with most of what you said. Have my upvote.

BrightWîngs6/4/2019, 11:56:28 PM6 votes

Top lane is a hard lane to gank

I was about to roast before I read the rest of it XD

Ambitious Minnow6/5/2019, 5:51:42 AM5 votes

This is a really good post, laners can put it into play or keep wondering why things don't work out for them. Especially what he said about mid,a helpful roaming mid laner is the absolute best. When they are helpful to the jungle. Not so much roaming to lanes except special circumstances.

DariusHyena6/5/2019, 2:23:05 PM3 votes

I think Junglers often have a particular personality that shines through in the gameplay. They like being independent and largely on their own, a free agent who can float around the map where they feel they need to be. It is the most freeform and unstructured position, if you want to get on a junglers bad side try telling them when and where they need to be.

Im In Your Base16/5/2019, 11:51:33 AM3 votes

I wish more mid laners were aware of how important #6 is.

FiveAneurysms6/6/2019, 3:30:15 AM3 votes

As a toplaner I was pretty critical to my junglers as to why they dont gank top as often as they do botlane/midlane, I qued up 20 games of jungle and it was pretty evident toplane was designed like a fucking island, it takes SO long to go to toplane from red buff and if you are toplane your missing out on so much other objectives, your jungle, drake and botlane is open.

But I will say to all junglers, if the enemy jg is camping top, please please take drake and snowball your botlane as their is no chance of a counter gank and drake is almost 100% secured due to smite advantage, in example, if you see reksai just roamed onto Darius toplane, just head to bot, gank the lane and take a free drake.

AIQ6/5/2019, 2:12:55 PM3 votes
  1. The Jungler needs you just as badly as you need him.

YES, YES! ^ THIS MAN GETS IT.

2 ... don't expect a gank unless you have perfect wave management... get the wave to stand in a good place, you're out of luck.

While CC can be taken care of by champions like Sejuani, CC is prefeered. However, it's more about the priority and power fo the match up.

IF it's a Kayle top and Ashe/Soraka bot. I probably need to be Top, if it's a Malphite top and a Draven/Pyke bot. I need to be bot.

Most Importantly is the core of your message GET YOU WAVES IN ORDER. Love it.

3 If you're losing lane, you can be helped.... However, if you're feeding, getting solo killed etc., you usually cannot be helped and your goal is, at this point, to build safely, farm where you can, and avoid giving up more kills.

Everyone should jungle a bit just to realize it, one extra thing I recommend to laners is to take no smite and clear the jungle on practice tool to see what level/EXP you are and then do it with smite. The point is look how much EXP you steal from your jungler when you take that extra 70g you don't need.

4 Sometimes, there are just better options to gank. ... Your wave needs to be in a good place when I'm clearing my top jungle near you.

Lets give a laner some slack here. Sometimes that's impossible if they are not the bully if someone is shoving them in they'll be shoved in, if the enemy is freezing and they are losing they can't shove in as that makes the problem worse. sometimes Junglers need to show up just to reset/control the wave.

5 Top lane is a hard lane to gank. Not in being difficult to execute, but being top means you're not around for the Drake play.

On the junglers this is also a Tracking issue if you know the enemy is at Raptors and you can gank top fast and clean there is no risk. Also if you have Dragon warded and you know they are on their side and bot and mid have priority, you have little risk of losing Dragon while ganking top.

6 Mid/Jungle are just as reliant on each other as ADC/support.

YES, YES. This man just gets it. Mids that move around and sacrifice the CS for a kill and control will be rewarded with tons of jungle pressure from your ally and winning other lanes.

7 It is nearly as important for a support to do these same things, and perhaps the only reason it is more important for mid is because they can rotate in two directions instead of one.

Supports on Blue side especially, as they can invade the enemy blue much more easily and get vision on 2 camps. Supports should make it a habit to run down mid when they base (at optimal times) just to make sure nothing crazy happens as they return to lane.

8 The jungler cannot be everywhere. ... Just because you aren't their priority doesn't make them or their decision to prioritize another lane or objective bad.

Read it up laners lol.

9 Ganks are usually incredibly easy to predict, and the reason they often work is just because you are so intent on getting that wave shoved before you back that you ignore how bad your positioning is and your lack of vision. Three minions does not justify a death.

Or they just don't ward. Sometimes though enemy laners can have that poker face that "no the junglers not in the bush right next to me" and it looks good then boom dead laner.

10 Junglers that clear away from Infernal Drake are trolling.

Meh, you can have infernal if I remove you mid and top from the game.

11 The jungler should not engage the fight for a gank unless you have a gap closer and they have reliable CC.

Better rule I follow, "If I can't do it myself, I don't do it at all." I only counter gank to save laners I wont engage in a gank I can't potentially do alone or escape more often than not.

12 Laners need to try to secure vision control in strong gank paths near their lane.

If possible, it's nice.

13 It is worth missing the wave shoved under your tower to follow up on my gank. If you're shoved in and I gank just to have you ignoring me, I won't visit your lane again.

Depends on the size of the way, 4 waves of CS may kill you or be worth more than your gank. A Jungler needs to back off in this case. However, 5-7 CS can probably be ignored.

CloakAndGrenade6/6/2019, 7:36:33 AM3 votes

Thank sweet Jesus somebody finally understands.

Light Burner6/5/2019, 2:20:29 PM2 votes

God bless this man he understands the game hopefully i can get you in my games as my jungler.

Jerriel6/5/2019, 6:29:29 AM2 votes

as a jungle main this is 100% correct. thank you for the very detailed post i love itAmumu

SanKakU6/5/2019, 12:26:41 PM2 votes

I recommend everyone do this. Jungle is the only role that can be anywhere on the map in laning phase, and understanding what they do and why can stop you from tilting and even open your eyes to the possibility they are doing their best with their given resources.

I was reading your stuff and I hadn't read anything in error yet and I just wanted to take the moment to thank you for a good opening comment.

9-13 is where you start getting unreliable. 9 isn't as black and white as some people think it is. The opening line of 9 is true, but it's not always wrong to allow yourself to be ganked if you're dominating hard enough. You can allow the jungle to gank you, kill him 2v1, and then move on to the others if they have attempted to back up their allied jungle. This is also why I am calling you out for your ridiculous later points for being inaccurate, in particular 13. 10 is just straight up wrong, there are lots of times where they may have no choice but to do these things, it could be their allies' fault and not their own. 11 is typed up like a rule when instead it just really depends on how dangerous the situation is for each champion involved. 12 I have no problem with, but there's more to it than just putting a ward at the spot from which an enemy will come. There's also timing to consider since warding is limited, among other things. It's not quite that simple. Reminds me a little of 9 actually, I wonder why you don't simply have fewer points but whatever. 13 just really depends. If the minions are currently being taken out, it is at least a little unlikely it's worth it for them to engage with you. But, you made your decision to gank so they should at least analyze what you're doing and try to figure if it's worth helping you. If you're playing a champion with some hard disables such as Rammus or Udyr, they'd be crazy to not come help as you suggest. If you're playing something like Kayn though and you're not even level 6, they are sometimes feeding to bother to come help you. On the other hand, you might be trying to get essence only and if one or both of the lane opponents have their ultimates ready and yours isn't, then now they are feeding you to the enemy by not coming to help you. Of course, the principles change depending on the lane you're ganking.

5050BS6/5/2019, 9:51:54 PM2 votes

These are great points and you can tell if you have a good jungler because they will also follow the above.

blaze9036/6/2019, 12:15:39 AM2 votes

People just dont get it. I main Evelynn and my ganks are shit before level 6. Honestly me rushing to level 6 and destroying a lane is so much better but sadly the people just dont get it. Honestly my rule of thumb is if you cant win a lane without a gank......you shouldnt be in rank. I played top and mid to Plat 1 and I never expected or asked for a gank. Also as a laner remember you can always gank other lanes too. Hate seeing top laners who literally afk farm for 20 min. Come help mid or bot.

oriannashutsdown6/6/2019, 4:42:53 AM2 votes

I gank just to have you ignoring me, I won't visit your lane again.

things that apply to people who still play in this godforsaken server

The23rdGamer6/6/2019, 5:15:27 AM2 votes

If only I could find a way to make EVERYONE read this.

Power Cosmic6/6/2019, 6:21:45 AM2 votes

What I have learned from watching and playing is that ganking and carrying should be separated, and I do not consider snowballing carrying. Therefore if a champ as the tools to gank well then he/she cant hard carry like Elise and Lee (who neither scale hard late). So that would mean a big nerf to champs like Kayn and Hecarim who have great gankability and also carry hard. Carry junglers should be about being setup and farming while ganking junglers be about... ganking.

mvmlego6/5/2019, 9:26:01 PM1 votes

I'd like to make an addendum to point number 13. Sometimes, it's reasonable for laners to be hesitant to follow up on gank attempts when there are large minion waves near their tower. Typically, large waves like that develop because the champion who is extended has much more health and mana. If a laner in that situation initiates a fight, then there's a good chance they'll die to the combination of their lane opponent and the large wave of minions.

Heko The Man6/6/2019, 3:14:48 PM1 votes

Junglers stop ganking my lane before leve 6 if you don't know where the enemy jungler is because we'll both get coutner ganked and killed.

Thank you

Nasus main