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Riot should not be deleting posts, only locking them

GFREEMEN··2 votes·3,444 views

Deleting posts should only be for posts that have illegal content. Locking posts is what should be happening else it looks like Riot is trying to hide or stifle customers concerns.

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Oleandervine3 votes

Riot removes posts if they violate board rules or are on the wrong board. If your posts are getting deleted, you're doing one of these things.

GFREEMEN1 votes

I understand that they DO delete posts, Im saying they should not be deleting them only locking them.

Also if a post is deleted it does not mean you have violated any rules or posted in the wrong board. It commonly is because a Moderator just didnt like what was being said.

Oleandervine2 votes

Again, they delete them if they violate the rules or are posted in the wrong board. They lock posts if the conversations get too off topic or heated, or they're posts that have been necro'd.

If you're going to sit here and throw a shit fit about the moderators, then move on. We see plenty of that daily.

ModWulf Helhammer4 votes

No, it very much is because it violates one or more of the Universal Rules and/or the individual sub-board rules.

If you suspect that a moderator is removing your post simply because of a personal dislike, then please, feel free to bring that up to us in the Moderation Discord. If you don't want to speak to just us regular moderators, then you can ask to speak with a Herald (kind of our bosses, the leads of the volunteer program).

xelaker2 votes

lmao yea just bring up that we don't like you... to us and we'll definitely fix that [slayer-jinx-wink]

GatekeeperTDS2 votes

Feel free to make your own boards where you can make the rules.

Modi4 votes

It commonly is because a Moderator just didnt like what was being said.

That is patently false. I have never seen or heard of something like this happening. If it has happened, I would be willing to bet that one of the heralds reversed it immediately.

Spreading lies only weakens your argument regarding locked vs deleted.

ModJikker3 votes

Locking threads allows rule violation content to stay up. If someone posts a racial slur, a thread attacking a person, NSFW images, etc... there is no reason to merely lock it. We do sometimes choose to lock threads in some cases such as those that have devolved or are necro'd, but in general it is better to remove rule violating threads than to lock it and allow the violation to remain visible to the community.

Threads posted in the incorrect sub-board unfortunately due to programming limitations cannot be moved so instead of letting them continue to take space in the wrong sub-board, we opt to remove with no warning so that the OP can repost it in the correct location.

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Also if a post is deleted it does not mean you have violated any rules or posted in the wrong board. It commonly is because a Moderator just didnt like what was being said.

As I have said several times now, I have personally removed threads I agree with and left threads up that I disagree with. Why? Because although I agreed with what was being said, the threads violated the rules or were in the incorrect sub-board and even though I disagreed with some content, no violations were made. Our opinion on the content of the thread does not affect removal, only violation of the rules or curation of incorrectly placed threads result in removals.

As Wulf has already stated, if you do believe someone has done this you can bring it up to our oversight Heralds on the Discord.

GatekeeperTDS2 votes

I dunno, Jikker. Take this tongue in cheek (I'm not angry with you), but you remove a lot of threads and comments.

ModUlanopo2 votes

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I dunno, Jikker. Take this tongue in cheek (I'm not angry with you), but you remove a lot of threads and comments.

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More seriously, I always find it confusing when people try to speak authoritatively about the inner workings of the moderation team. It's just observation bias. Jikker is not in the top three in either Most Actions Taken nor in Highest Percentage of Removals That Include a Suspension. For comparison, I'm two slots above Jikker in Actions Taken at #2 and we're both in the bottom half of the team in likelihood we'll suspend someone.

(Before you try to argue 4th place isn't all that far off the lead, know that there's a HUGE gap between them and the top three.)

That's what is befuddling; you guys have made up your mind about things and they have zero grounding in reality.

GatekeeperTDS3 votes

I absolutely have confirmation bias that Jikker removes more comments of mine than anyone else. :D

ModJikker1 votes

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I absolutely have confirmation bias that Jikker removes more comments of mine than anyone else. :D

And there are plenty of users that would feel the same way about other mods. The reality is I simply run into your rule violating comments more often in the queue than other mods.

GatekeeperTDS3 votes

I'll take my lumps when I deserve them, but I think your application of the rules is more liberal than others. I dislike inconsistencies in how rules are applied, and it's the only complaint I have about the staff. You guys do a great job. Get on the same page with each other as far as consistency.

GatekeeperTDS2 votes

I've reported a post accusing me of being a highschool dropout at least 4 times in the last several hours.

Where's the cleanup crew? :(

ModJikker2 votes

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I've reported a post accusing me of being a highschool dropout at least 4 times in the last several hours.

Where's the cleanup crew? :(

I usually only moderate in the morning and sometimes afternoon, but I checked the queue for you and handled the report.

UltimateShield131 votes

Yeah you tend to remove a lot of comments just because you as a person don't agree with them. I've seen loads of posts complaining about you specifically. Hmmm...

ModJikker3 votes

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Yeah you tend to remove a lot of comments just because you as a person don't agree with them. I've seen loads of posts complaining about you specifically. Hmmm...

This is your opinion, but it is not based in fact. The very fact I am not removing this post or any others that call me out shows your claim to be untrue. Feel free to report me to the Heralds and have them review my actions if you are concerned.

xelaker1 votes

To be fair the rules are fairly vague to cover anything they need to cover, so can be interpreted loosely. This guy prob violated them, but still, the mods aren't lil angels.

Oh noes the Riot goon squad has me downvoted [sg-janna]

Imperial Pandaa7 votes

Just to build on this; most rules and laws are meant to allow interpretation. This can be both good and bad though. It can be good because it would be quite silly to go:

Don't call someone a doodoo head. Don't call someone a boosted bafoon. Don't call someone brainless. Etc etc.

When you could just simplify it to

Don't be a jerk./Respect Everyone (The /respect everyone in case some people prefer Positive Guidelines phrasing).

Otherwise you get the smartasses that go "Well, I didn't call him a doodoo head. I called him a dunder head."

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