I like posting in the Boards but I don't like most of the people.

DBS Ronovon·Oct 16, 2019·6 votes·4,483 views

Just wanted to tell you all that I don't like you.

I am sure its not true for everyone, but the majority of people I interact with suck.

Some of the people who post helpful things are cool, but when it comes to anything challenging or anything that threatens their League of Legends/Anime identity, all people do is say things with no evidence, substance, or even attempt to back up their point of view with no regard for perspective.

This is just something I see here, and it vexes me greatly that people are using stupid day one cheese arguments that lead nowhere and accomplish nothing in a discussion.

Here is a tip:

Gain perspective in any argument or discussion.

Define terms to be clear and truthful, because if you're not, then you're just lying.

Ask questions and answer questions clearly and truthfully.

Give concrete real world examples to back up your claim or view point.

If you don't do these things when you post or comment discussing any controversial topic, then you're garbage, plain and simple.

39 Comments

9mm ValentineOct 16, 20193 votes

You're 100% correct. This site is full of losers that like to disagree for the sheer fact of disagreeing. They're usually iron-gold players that are super biased towards their role or champ and everyone else is broken op. Btw, I need no evidence to back up that my waifu is the best. EDIT: I want to make a lethality feedback thread since I play assassins but I know for a fact it'll be downvoted into oblivion due to the sheer hatred of assassins here. The only thing I could do to get upvotes would be to mindlessly say "DELETE DUSKBLADE!!! IT OP!!!!!"

IncrediPhiLLOct 16, 20192 votes

I can agree with all of this.

The boards are great at times and I especially love discussing in the Esports board, but man, these people are a hateful mob at times. There is a systematic regulation of the boards in which many post outside of gameplay get no attention, but if a mod comments on it, then the post is upvoted/downvoted into oblivion with whatever the mod's opinion is. It's all very... mob-like and discouraging. They could use some work here, no doubt.

Another issue is the inconsistencies in moderation. Some people "feel" invincible because they have gotten away with saying anything in the past, but others get modded on often which only adds fuel to the hate fire either way.

I've learned to just do me. I've gotten support in the past on these boards and I've gotten verbally assaulted in the past on these boards. These little cliques that run around her stick together, but at least they are acknowledging what you have to say... so there's that?

DBS RonovonOct 16, 20193 votes

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I can agree with all of this.

The boards are great at times and I especially love discussing in the Esports board, but man, these people are a hateful mob at times. There is a systematic regulation of the boards in which many post outside of gameplay get no attention, but if a mod comments on it, then the post is upvoted/downvoted into oblivion with whatever the mod's opinion is. It's all very... mob-like and discouraging. They could use some work here, no doubt.

Another issue is the inconsistencies in moderation. Some people "feel" invincible because they have gotten away with saying anything in the past, but others get modded on often which only adds fuel to the hate fire either way.

I've learned to just do me. I've gotten support in the past on these boards and I've gotten verbally assaulted in the past on these boards. These little cliques that run around her stick together, but at least they are acknowledging what you have to say... so there's that?

I am surprised anyone would agree with this, however, its a pleasant surprise. There are cool people in here, they usually just stay quiet. I just don't care what the dumb mob says, I will say what I want save the boards suspension invoking topics. The Mods love deleting my crap, and they sift through my posts looking for the little things they can spin as being against the rules. Its lame. The cliques are stupid, and I usually just call them out when they enter my posts.

I will say that when a Mod enters my post, I still get downvoted like clockwork.

The problems with this place is that the "loud" posters are kiss asses, and think the numerical majority of league players are like them, love anime tropes in every thing, and love Riot without question. All not true, but this game suffers from it.

IncrediPhiLLOct 16, 20192 votes

You’re not wrong.

I’ve found that I’ll get downvoted from the same old people because they didn’t like something I said on a completely unrelated post.

About Mod posting, it’s simple. If a mod agrees with you, then you get upvotes, if they disagree with you, then in comes the hate votes.

I think the primary disconnect is the most vocal people on the boards want to be mods/specialist themselves, so they pander to what the mods want them to say to try and earn favor. It’s sloppy for sure.

IncrediPhiLLOct 16, 20193 votes

You talk about perspective.

One of my favorite things to do is go to player behavior and check out the people who have been suspended/banned. There are a lot of “better than you” people who make a habit of commenting on those threads.

“Just because someone flames you doesn’t give you the right to flame back!”

Yeah, we get it, saint. How about you get off your high horse and actually acknowledge the fact that people get angry when someone is rude to them.

But no. Here is a downvote and a wag of my finger for you, young man. Be like us. We never get angry! Follow the rules, kid.

Yeah, those saints are really helping over there in that forum.

DBS RonovonOct 16, 20192 votes

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You talk about perspective.

One of my favorite things to do is go to player behavior and check out the people who have been suspended/banned. There are a lot of “better than you” people who make a habit of commenting on those threads.

“Just because someone flames you doesn’t give you the right to flame back!”

Yeah, we get it, saint. How about you get off your high horse and actually acknowledge the fact that people get angry when someone is rude to them.

But no. Here is a downvote and a wag of my finger for you, young man. Be like us. We never get angry! Follow the rules, kid.

Yeah, those saints are really helping over there in that forum.

Dude... I am laughing reading this man... I am reading this aloud to my friends in the room like, "This guy gets it."

Motionless-do-gooders is what I title people like that.

I also go into the Player Behavior, and call out the "saints" for being such good people! They are all so good it knocks my socks off man.

Oh, and I, myself get really mad, both here and in game, when I actually play. I did however stop saying stuff to people out of anger. Don't want to waste thousands of dollars on this account lol.

Posui GartOct 16, 20197 votes

People can downvote whenever they want and for whatever reason. Just like with upvotes. They don't change anything anyway. Commenting "don't break the rules" does not mean that commenter thinks of himself as a saint that never does anything bad. Everyone gets angry and makes stupid shit from time to time. The "don't break rules" comment is usually just that, someone asking someone else to stop breaking rules. And if its not, there is no reason to care anyway.

IncrediPhiLLOct 16, 20193 votes

Sure, but If you check those threads out, they’re always the same, and with the same people.

Recently banned guy comes in and gripes about being banned for something he doesn’t think is banworthy.

Saint: “LoL! You say all this, but no chat logs. Okay, guy.”

Recently banned guy post chat logs. Couldn’t find them at first. Explains that the logs don’t show the harassment he was taking on his end.

Saint: “You clearly flamed. You called him bad and told him to afk!”

Recently banned guy tries to explain that something that small isn’t Banworthy and the other guys were saying worse things.

Oh wait... here comes a “Specialist,” This Guy will crack the case!

Specialist: “Hey there! After looking over your chat logs and looking up big words in a thesaurus to make this explanation sound much smarter and more meaningful than what it really is, I have come to the transgressive conclusion that the formulaic procedure of your analytic responses to the supposed harassment you were in reception of during the course of the competition, what you typed can be perceived by the layman as offensive and obligatory. I damn you to hell.”

Everybody upvotes Specialist (or mods) response. Refusing to give any merit to the OP.

I’m not saying those guys don’t deserve a ban (though a lot of times, they don’t) but man those people in those threads are the worst.

Posui GartOct 16, 20192 votes

Sometimes there are people banned, who don't really deserve a ban by their chat log, but I really wouldn't like to play with someone like this. Perhaps others also think the same and are happy with people they don't like being banned. Also, I believe the correct action in case of unfair punishment is opening a support ticket, isn't it? There is like 0 point of bringing it to boards before getting the responce(or lack of it). And there is even less point in trying to explain the unfair ban to random boards user, or even a "Specialist". Especially if the community there is like you describe.

GatekeeperTDSOct 17, 20195 votes

It's the WAY that the banned person approaches it. 5% of the people who come in to discuss their ban sound like this -

"Hi guys, I recently got a chat restriction but I don't think my comms were that bad. I admit I was frustrated, but I didn't think I broke any rules. Could you please let me know what you think?"

Instead, 95% of the time we get this -

"I know all the Riot whiteknights will downvote this, but I was in a game being inted and trolled by my top laner and I called him out and this is my 5th permabanned account and I don't deserve this. By the way, fuck you all."

And then they proceed to argue with and flame everyone who replies.

Player Behavior is a tough board for those of us who spend time there. Hardly anyone is open to accepting the fact that they are the ones in charge of their own chat and if they received a punishment, it's not because of what everyone else did.

IncrediPhiLLOct 17, 20192 votes

They get on there and say some stupid stuff for sure. They are upset. The game they've dropped more money into than food was just taken away from them. Of course they are going to be upset.

Again, it's about perspective:

If someone is bullying you, calling you names, beating up on you, beating up on your family and loved ones, telling you to kill yourself... all in real life, then a perfectly natural response is to defend yourself and your family in any way necessary.

But RIOT and all of those White Knights in the forums see it differently because those people aren't in the banned person's shoes. Imagine banning someone for defending their mentally ill family member that some loser decided to make fun of in a video game? As someone who has a mentally ill family member, that's out of line. We can mute chat, mute pings, lose the game because we can no longer communicate, go afk because we're tired of being harassed and all of that stuff, but these mods and "better than you" board members don't care.

"There is never an excuse to be toxic to another player. We understand that natural human instinct is to defend yourself in a time of bullying and in real life, that would be perfectly acceptable, but online - that's crossing the line and makes you just as bad as the person who was telling you that your whole family should die. Tsk Tsk bad person. You deserve it."

"You should have just ignored it. They're just words. They don't mean anything. Who cares what someone online says?"

We have no clue what some of these people are going through, but lets all storm the player behavior section to tell them what a terrible person they are and how bad they messed up and broke all those rules. That'll help.

EDIT: The whole purpose of those boards is to give a player insight into why they were banned and offer an avenue for appeal and discussion with people who can do something about it. Instead, they get a bunch of the same old people who can't change anything tell them how bad they were.

GatekeeperTDSOct 17, 20197 votes

Instead, they get a bunch of the same old people who can't change anything tell them how bad they were.

So in other words - you did not read what I wrote.

IncrediPhiLLOct 17, 20193 votes

Glad you agree.

DBS RonovonOct 17, 20192 votes

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It's the WAY that the banned person approaches it. 5% of the people who come in to discuss their ban sound like this -

"Hi guys, I recently got a chat restriction but I don't think my comms were that bad. I admit I was frustrated, but I didn't think I broke any rules. Could you please let me know what you think?"

Instead, 95% of the time we get this -

"I know all the Riot whiteknights will downvote this, but I was in a game being inted and trolled by my top laner and I called him out and this is my 5th permabanned account and I don't deserve this. By the way, fuck you all."

And then they proceed to argue with and flame everyone who replies.

Player Behavior is a tough board for those of us who spend time there. Hardly anyone is open to accepting the fact that they are the ones in charge of their own chat and if they received a punishment, it's not because of what everyone else did.

I think the way the 95% post about it is the right way to do it personally. This is not real life its a game so eat it. Games should be better than real life, not mirroring real life thats why we are playing as game in the first place, otherwise I would go outside and grind on area beautification, cleaning up trash on the street, or do chores for random people on the street because real life is awesome.

Its like in Grand Theft Auto 5 online, when people blow up another person's car and get labeled (by the game) a "bad sport" and somehow sportsmanship from real sports is somehow how connected to a game with strippers, killing, and robbing. Dumb stuff.

GatekeeperTDSOct 17, 20193 votes

I think the way the 95% post about it is the right way to do it personally. This is not real life its a game so eat it.

And yet, you're the one making a post complaining about the way people reply and saying you don't like anyone.

You shouldn't contradict yourself, but I assume attention-grabbing was your goal all along anyway.

DBS RonovonOct 17, 20192 votes

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This is not real life its a game so eat it.

And yet, you're the one making a post complaining about the way people reply and saying you don't like anyone.

You shouldn't contradict yourself, but I assume attention-grabbing was your goal all along anyway.

I apologize for not participating in your echo chamber..... umm, no I am just kidding, I don't apologize at all.

Point out where the contradiction is for me please, don't just say I contradict myself and give no example of it, that is just lazy.

CharDeeMcDennizOct 17, 20192 votes

^so much this^

DBS RonovonOct 17, 20192 votes

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^so much this^

Is that the male equivalent to "Preech! Girl" ?

CharDeeMcDennizOct 17, 20192 votes

call it whatever you want but he's not wrong

DBS RonovonOct 18, 20192 votes

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call it whatever you want but he's not wrong

Original post applies:

CharDeeMcDennizOct 18, 20192 votes

im not going to repeat everything he said

fail bait 2/10

deuces*[slayer-jinx-catface]*

DBS RonovonOct 18, 20192 votes

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im not going to repeat everything he said

fail bait 2/10

deuces*[slayer-jinx-catface]*

I am not requesting you repeat anything, I am asking what you mean specifically. If you think that is somehow bait, then I don't know what to tell you. You just said something that means nothing and you're not backing it up, because you don't know how to, and when confronted about it you just run away. Well at least you got in your silly meaningless and thoughtless comment supporting someone who said nothing, but you agree with that person simply because they don't agree with me or like my post.

iMidg3tOct 17, 20193 votes

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You talk about perspective.

One of my favorite things to do is go to player behavior and check out the people who have been suspended/banned. There are a lot of “better than you” people who make a habit of commenting on those threads.

“Just because someone flames you doesn’t give you the right to flame back!”

Yeah, we get it, saint. How about you get off your high horse and actually acknowledge the fact that people get angry when someone is rude to them.

But no. Here is a downvote and a wag of my finger for you, young man. Be like us. We never get angry! Follow the rules, kid.

Yeah, those saints are really helping over there in that forum.

I want to add the fact that more often than not, people who're commenting on those kind of threads sound more toxic than the guy who got banned. It's not rare to see people being straight up passive-aggressive towards the guy who got banned. And mods are doing shit about it because it's not an obvious harrassment. It's like some people are using PB posts to vent their frustrations on banned players.

Dont get me wrong, I'm a toxic PoS aswell, I aint a saint, but the things I read on PB sometimes feel like borderline cyber-bullying. And thats something even i wouldnt do.

It doesnt bother me that much, but as you said, they should get off their high horse and stop judging banned players whey they're behaving the same.

IncrediPhiLLOct 17, 20194 votes

Getting on those threads and continually telling the OP "You deserved it! You broke the rules! You did this and this and this wrong!" is 100% more toxic than telling someone "You're bad! Go AFK!"

iMidg3tOct 17, 20194 votes

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Getting on those threads and continually telling the OP "You deserved it! You broke the rules! You did this and this and this wrong!" is 100% more toxic than telling someone "You're bad! Go AFK!"

Like I said, those kind of people are using PB as a place to vent. And the best part is that they think they're not toxic because they never got banned in league...like bruh, thats not how it works. Just because you're not banned for being toxic doesnt mean youre not toxic, it just means you're not toxic enough to get banned.

Again, Im a toxic player, but I wasnt banned since season 7.

IncrediPhiLLOct 17, 20192 votes

Uh oh, my guy. The dislike trolls have woke up. Here they come.

AeroWaffleOct 18, 20193 votes

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Uh oh, my guy. The dislike trolls have woke up. Here they come.

When it became clear the thread was just to complain and make blanket generalizations about the PB section the thread lost the facade that it was for worthwhile discussion.

DBS RonovonOct 18, 20192 votes

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When it became clear the thread was just to complain and make blanket generalizations about the PB section the thread lost the facade that it was for worthwhile discussion.

Are you admitting you're one of the "dislike trolls" or do you have something to say about my complaints that you disagree with, and if so, elaborate and we can discuss it. I did generalize but I was not absolute, so there is wiggle room to make exceptions and cases.

AeroWaffleOct 18, 20193 votes

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Are you admitting you're one of the "dislike trolls"

I gave the reason why I downvoted. To call that "trolling" is just lying (and insulting).

or do you have something to say about my complaints that you disagree with, and if so, elaborate and we can discuss it. I did generalize but I was not absolute, so there is wiggle room to make exceptions and cases.

For example, your agreement with the strawman, followed by your passive-aggressive insulting, presented by the other commenter;

One of my favorite things to do is go to player behavior and check out the people who have been suspended/banned. There are a lot of “better than you” people who make a habit of commenting on those threads.

“Just because someone flames you doesn’t give you the right to flame back!”

Yeah, we get it, saint. How about you get off your high horse and actually acknowledge the fact that people get angry when someone is rude to them.

It's understandable that it's upsetting to get a troll or an asshole. But many believe that doesn't absolve you of the responsibility over your own actions. To intentionally ignore that perspective and instead pretend that those on the PB believe that it's unreasonable to get upset is a strawman.

Both you and other commentors in this thread just started making strawman arguments then ridiculing the strawman that you've set up. If you wanted worthwhile civil discussion then that's certainly not the way to go.

DBS RonovonOct 18, 20192 votes

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I gave the reason why I downvoted. To call that "trolling" is just lying (and insulting).

For example, your agreement with the strawman, followed by your passive-aggressive insulting, presented by the other commenter;

It's understandable that it's upsetting to get a troll or an asshole. But many believe that doesn't absolve you over the responsibility over your own actions. To intentionally ignore that perspective and instead pretend that those on the PB believe that it's unreasonable to get upset is a strawman.

Both you and other commentors in this thread just started making strawman arguments then ridiculing the strawman that you've set up. If you wanted worthwhile discussion then that's certainly not the way to go.

I am not making a strawman argument in any way that insults you personally. I am stating my opinion about typical things that I see.

I didn't outright call you a troll, but if you did in fact downvote without giving a reason then based on the definition of Down Vote Troll, then you would be one. The people who down vote without any regard for what is written, and has nothing to contribute is considered a troll.

I can't help what insults you, but I can give my honest opinion, and welcome anyone to a reasonable discussion, which in your case I am happy to do. So welcome.

Remember, this is the internet, such an inhuman place to communicate, but we must remember that we are people, and very human.

You are not a straw man, and I wasn't talking to you. If you think my general opinion of the specific case of the regular white knight situation is a bad example, untrue, or is in some way not representative of the regular on-goings here on the forums, please elaborate, I'd like to hear your side.

Even if we disagree.

AeroWaffleOct 18, 20193 votes

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I am not making a strawman argument in any way that insults you personally. I am stating my opinion about typical things that I see.

I didn't outright call you a troll, but if you did in fact downvote without giving a reason then based on the definition of Down Vote Troll, then you would be one.

I literally said in the first post I made in the thread why I thought the thread stopped being worthwhile.

I'm done.

DBS RonovonOct 18, 20192 votes

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I literally said in the first post I made in the thread why I thought the thread stopped being worthwhile.

I'm done.

:'''(

CharDeeMcDennizOct 18, 20191 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

DalekZecOct 18, 20192 votes

Interesting how you want to share that but to be fair, none of us have any reasons to like or even dislike anybody in this place. None of us have to and possibly none of us even want to.

This is boards. You're literally talking to complete strangers and don't know shit about.

DBS RonovonOct 18, 20192 votes

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Interesting how you want to share that but to be fair, none of us have any reasons to like or even dislike anybody in this place. None of us have to and possibly none of us even want to.

This is boards. You're literally talking to complete strangers and don't know shit about.

What a great opportunity to get to know people, the very same fellow Leaguers that play the same game.

How is this a bad thing?

I assume most people can agree that this games broods unreal amounts of flame, toxicity, and trolling.

This is known. Why?

The boards are its own slice of that heaven though, we have all kinds of people, that no one seems to know anything about, but there is one thing we know, and that is, the majority of people on the forums who are outspoken seem to be in a big Riot Loving clique.

Is this not accurate?

I personally do not like what Riot has done with league, and I used to love playing this game. Is that the fault of Riot, or the people who unconditionally love Riot and the bad decision making on their part? I don't know, but how will anyone find out if things suck really bad and nothing is done about it, or no one mentions these things?

I want league to be fun again, and URF is a good first step.

DalekZecOct 18, 20193 votes

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What a great opportunity to get to know people, the very same fellow Leaguers that play the same game.

How is this a bad thing?

I assume most people can agree that this games broods unreal amounts of flame, toxicity, and trolling.

This is known. Why?

The boards are its own slice of that heaven though, we have all kinds of people, that no one seems to know anything about, but there is one thing we know, and that is, the majority of people on the forums who are outspoken seem to be in a big Riot Loving clique.

Is this not accurate?

I personally do not like what Riot has done with league, and I used to love playing this game. Is that the fault of Riot, or the people who unconditionally love Riot and the bad decision making on their part? I don't know, but how will anyone find out if things suck really bad and nothing is done about it, or no one mentions these things?

I want league to be fun again, and URF is a good first step.

The thing about this is that it's hard to know who is right and who is wrong.

There is no natural law of how a moba game should be. Not even riot knows.

I myself don't like the damage meta overload but there are those who do enjoy such a fiesta which begs the question, is the game bad if there are still people who likes it?

When it comes to league of legends, there is no "facts", there's just "opinions". Like sure a fact can be "league is a 5v5 game!" And 100% people will agree. But an opinion can be "league's balance is shit" and some people will agree and some may not.

This is the sad part about this game. I can pissed at the game all I want but doesn't mean it's a bad game or a good game. League is simply not perfect. That's why it always keeps on evolving and changing. Otherwise it would have died years ago.

DBS RonovonOct 18, 20192 votes

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The thing about this is that it's hard to know who is right and who is wrong.

There is no natural law of how a moba game should be. Not even riot knows.

I myself don't like the damage meta overload but there are those who do enjoy such a fiesta which begs the question, is the game bad if there are still people who likes it?

When it comes to league of legends, there is no "facts", there's just "opinions". Like sure a fact can be "league is a 5v5 game!" And 100% people will agree. But an opinion can be "league's balance is shit" and some people will agree and some may not.

This is the sad part about this game. I can pissed at the game all I want but doesn't mean it's a bad game or a good game. League is simply not perfect. That's why it always keeps on evolving and changing. Otherwise it would have died years ago.

Yeah, you make a good point, league isn't concrete, and its hard to know what is good for the game and what isn't or if its balanced or not.

I think the balance issue gets worse the more you inflate damage in introduce too many characters. I don't like the changes to the Jungle, they should have standardized that by now so people could have gained mastery over it, but clearly that isn't very possible because of all the changes over the years.

Imagine if you were playing basket ball growing up for 10 years, then all of the sudden, you were not allow to shoot three pointers, and fouling players was legal.

I am just using this sport as an example because we all know the rules to the sport, and fouling is not legal in the game and strong discouraged, and three pointers taken out of the game gives the long shot people no incentive to shoot long baskets.

Now why make this point?

The jungle changing with XP and new features is like changing the three point basket ball rule, meaning no one wants to waste time on the Jungle because the rules change to not benefit the player in that role, and it means more work for less points. Why is the jungle one of the least played and most important role for map control?

Just an observation and something I see that is critically wrong with League.

DalekZecOct 18, 20192 votes

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Yeah, you make a good point, league isn't concrete, and its hard to know what is good for the game and what isn't or if its balanced or not.

I think the balance issue gets worse the more you inflate damage in introduce too many characters. I don't like the changes to the Jungle, they should have standardized that by now so people could have gained mastery over it, but clearly that isn't very possible because of all the changes over the years.

Imagine if you were playing basket ball growing up for 10 years, then all of the sudden, you were not allow to shoot three pointers, and fouling players was legal.

I am just using this sport as an example because we all know the rules to the sport, and fouling is not legal in the game and strong discouraged, and three pointers taken out of the game gives the long shot people no incentive to shoot long baskets.

Now why make this point?

The jungle changing with XP and new features is like changing the three point basket ball rule, meaning no one wants to waste time on the Jungle because the rules change to not benefit the player in that role, and it means more work for less points. Why is the jungle one of the least played and most important role for map control?

Just an observation and something I see that is critically wrong with League.

What I've heard about jungle was, before its changed, you were able to get level 3 before the laner could do that and that proved too strong.

I don't play much jungle but when i do, I tend to play Amumu and spam ganks on my ally lanes.

DBS RonovonOct 18, 20192 votes

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What I've heard about jungle was, before its changed, you were able to get level 3 before the laner could do that and that proved too strong.

I don't play much jungle but when i do, I tend to play Amumu and spam ganks on my ally lanes.

I just stopped trying to learn the new jungle meta, because your team will just lose on purpose if you don't play exactly how the pros play, which is too much pressure to just lose a game for no reason other than not playing what the meta is for your team.

Its crybaby central man.

Pick Garen jungle and its gg at champ select, int feeding on all lanes.