It should be against the rules to argue with mods on the boards

Caitlyn FTW·Dec 30, 2019·1 votes·4,568 views

Arguing with mods is just toxic.
Leads to nowhere.
Many forums already ban arguing with mods on their public forums. This forum should do the same.
Complaints about the mods team should be forwarded somewhere else.
Arguing with mods in public creates a toxic environment.
Do I even need to say anything more?

The forum is very toxic atm with the complaints and the mods hatred. I've seen mods make really good threads but they get bombarded with down votes and brain dead arguments just because they are mods. Heck, I don't think mods should even disclose their name when they delete something or ban someone. I feel really bad for the mods.

37 Comments

Jng AccountDec 30, 20196 votes

Mods can have their opinion, others can have different one, as long as "arguing" or rather discussion is civil and reasonable, I don't see problem.

Caitlyn FTWDec 30, 20192 votes

Look at this hot page. Do you see civility?

ModUlanopoDec 30, 20196 votes

We created this sub-Board because we feel exactly the opposite. It's important to us that people have the opportunity to disagree with us, as long as they do so respectfully.

Caitlyn FTWDec 30, 20191 votes

You really think they aren't being toxic?

ModUlanopoDec 30, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Three One Four,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4yEZIbdQ,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-12-30T19:09:49.067+0000)

You really think they aren't being toxic?

We tend to err on the side of caution because people are often quite upset. We can overlook a great deal if it lets us help more people. Truly toxic stuff does get removed, though.

Caitlyn FTWDec 30, 20191 votes

Ttouché

GatekeeperTDSDec 30, 20191 votes

Which definition of "arguing" (from your title) are you using?

A person having a polite discussion with a moderator and disagreeing with them is not against the rules.

A person being an asshat to a moderator over a disagreement is against the rules.

Caitlyn FTWDec 30, 20191 votes

Ah my good ol' friend GatekeeperTDS. Do you know how much I missed you? I don't know either but it's been a long time since the last I saw you on those boards? Are you just lurking around?

Back to the topic, well, arguing in general in my opinion is such an assholish thing to do on the boards (pardon my french). It really in my opinion serves no purpose but to put gasoline on a flaming fire and making it the wildest of fires. I believe all complaints should be private and not a public execution as it is atm.

Sure, I can see a point of complaining about a mod's decision to remove something and trying to open a dialogue to further understand the situation at hand. However, what Ulanopo fails to address is how this dialogue should be done. A lot of the threads created on the boards to discuss a mod decision are just flaming the mods and making fun of them for what they are doing (I don't know how is that helpful to anyone).

ModUlanopoDec 30, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Three One Four,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4yEZIbdQ,comment-id=0004000000010000,timestamp=2019-12-30T20:47:07.300+0000) However, what Ulanopo fails to address is how this dialogue should be done. A lot of the threads created on the boards to discuss a mod decision are just flaming the mods and making fun of them for what they are doing (I don't know how is that helpful to anyone).

I haven't "failed to address" it at all; we simply have different priorities when it comes to where and how the line should be drawn.

Caitlyn FTWDec 31, 20191 votes

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ModiDec 31, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Three One Four,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4yEZIbdQ,comment-id=000400000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-31T00:36:35.972+0000)

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There's arguing, then there is (civilly) discussing differences of opinion. While it may seem pointless to challenge a (likely) final decision by the moderators, they work for the benefit of the community as a whole. For example, if the entire community, or at least the majority of us, were to say "go easier on the gameplay moderation" then they would likely do so.

Caitlyn FTWDec 31, 20191 votes

Yeah but let's have some examples of what is on the Hot Page atm:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/fezEVZeT-got-this-comment-removed-a-few-days-ago-thought-it-was-funny
This thread is just straight up troll and making fun of mods
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/A3NWK0Xf-finally-the-mods-doing-their-jobs-correctly
Same thing as above

There were other similar threads but they are no longer on the Hot Page. Now tell me which of those threads are valid criticism or make a case for why these threads aren't removed because I am not convinced.

ModiDec 31, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Three One Four,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4yEZIbdQ,comment-id=00040000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-31T01:23:48.568+0000)

Yeah but let's have some examples of what is on the Hot Page atm:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/fezEVZeT-got-this-comment-removed-a-few-days-ago-thought-it-was-funny

This thread is just straight up troll and making fun of mods

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/A3NWK0Xf-finally-the-mods-doing-their-jobs-correctly

Same thing as above

There were other similar threads but they are no longer on the Hot Page. Now tell me which of those threads are valid criticism or make a case for why these threads aren't removed because I am not convinced.

Think of it this way:

The mods get enough criticism regarding "censoring" posts. If they were to remove posts criticizing and arguing with them, it would exacerbate that (false) narrative. They don't need that baggage.

Caitlyn FTWDec 31, 20191 votes

The lesser evil https://media.giphy.com/media/eKaROGpL8IFdCFjoNb/giphy.gif

ModiDec 31, 20191 votes

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The lesser evil https://media.giphy.com/media/eKaROGpL8IFdCFjoNb/giphy.gif

Indeed it is. One of the requirements to be a moderator of ANY community is a thick skin. They can take it, and they do a hell of a good job with the limited set of tools they have.

ModJikkerDec 31, 20191 votes

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Indeed it is. One of the requirements to be a moderator of ANY community is a thick skin. They can take it, and they do a hell of a good job with the limited set of tools they have.

Pretty much this. We wouldn't be mods if tons of downvotes or minor insults bothered us. I like to joke that I was forged in the heart of old GD so downvotes fuel me :^)

As Ulanopo has already said, we welcome open communication and constructive criticism from the community. We want feedback, not to lock it all down so that no one can express concerns or frustration. I'm always happy to help people better understand the rules or discuss violations with others, even they disagree. Only when the line is crossed into rule violating insults do we take action.

G0blinSlay3rDec 31, 20191 votes

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We created this sub-Board because we feel exactly the opposite. It's important to us that people have the opportunity to disagree with us, as long as they do so respectfully.

This is better. This is the way.

Jennifer17Dec 30, 20194 votes

yeah and mods should be renamed to "lol reddit nazi mods" and every post that talks negative about riot should automatically be removed. also the boards link should be changed to lolreddit.com.

great idea. /s

Jng AccountDec 30, 20195 votes

When was the last time mods removed well created, not low effort "Riot bad evil, china bad, cod player focused game, bring back good old days", posts criticizing Riot?

Jennifer17Dec 30, 20193 votes

hm on lol reddit... 2 days ago when i tried to copy paste a post from here with over 80 upvotes to LoLreddit.

also... i guess you didnt try to make a post on lol reddit asking riot about their client (as example) it will be auto removed the second you press on submit.

Jng AccountDec 30, 20193 votes

Should have specified that I’m talking about boards mods, mb.

Jennifer17Dec 30, 20193 votes

i didnt say they do that. i just said if arguing with them will be banned, then we might aswell go full lol reddit and do the things i said above.

ModUlanopoDec 30, 20192 votes

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i didnt say they do that. i just said if arguing with them will be banned, then we might aswell go full lol reddit and do the things i said above.

We welcome spirited and vigorous debate. :)

Jennifer17Dec 30, 20191 votes

dw i still think you guys do good. most of the time.

Caitlyn FTWDec 30, 20191 votes

What are you talking about? This is illogical and based on your own biases and not factual or in fact arguing against any of the points I have laid out above.

HotarµDec 30, 20192 votes

I think everyone needs to just chill out. I've seen plenty of bad comments from regular users and I've also seen some poor ones from mods. Obviously shit happens, nobody is perfect. The mods have admitted to making mistakes and I respect them for that, but you know what doesn't help their situation?

Having 2-10+ different posts all titled as "Lol trash mods" or "Fire the current mods" because someone is upset over having their comment removed. The rules are (almost always) incredibly transparent and enforced across the board so long as something is reported. If you disagree with the rules, that's 100% fine, just do it in a civil way instead of just insulting everyone with a different opinion.

Start a discussion instead of an argument, I honestly don't understand why that's such a hard thing for some people to do. Criticism is good and the mods should remain open to receiving it, but it should be constructive in nature. They're not your slaves and they're doing this of their own free will.

That doesn't make them exempt from the rules, but treat them like they're human beings for God's sakes.

######~~There, finished venting. Now bring on the downvotes. ~~

Caitlyn FTWDec 30, 20191 votes

I agree with you. But I still believe mods complaints should not be on the boards.

HotarµDec 30, 20192 votes

That's fine, you're welcome to that opinion. I partially agree with it.

If it's a complaint about a specific member of staff, it should be dealt with in private through the Discord. The staff member in question might get a lot of public flak for it or give a heated response, and it's not like anything will come of it anyway (for example, Ulanopo isn't going to release the logs where they talked to this mod in private and told them what they did was wrong, etc.)

But if it's a grievance with a specific rule, like "I think the x rule is outdated, here's why:" then it's fine. It gets the community involved and allows them to give their input and nobody is under fire.

RanmiakuDec 30, 20192 votes

lmao theyre people too, if you're just trolling sure but if its a legitimate debate/argument then why not lol, although i disagree with the mod that deleted a comment of mine saying riot are a little slow in the head haha

Toxicate13Dec 30, 20192 votes

[REMOVED BY MODERATION - ULANOPO]. It should be recommended that you argue with mods.

ModUlanopoDec 30, 20193 votes

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[REMOVED BY MODERATION - ULANOPO]. It should be recommended that you argue with mods.

Personal insults are not welcome, even when "criticizing" moderation. Please be warned, your next offense will receive an escalated ban.

Toxicate13Dec 31, 20191 votes

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Personal insults are not welcome, even when "criticizing" moderation. Please be warned, your next offense will receive an escalated ban.

I'm not banned, so idk what you mean by "escalated ban". If you wanna ban me do it, don't hold back

ModJikkerDec 31, 20191 votes

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I'm not banned, so idk what you mean by "escalated ban". If you wanna ban me do it, don't hold back

I believe Ulanopo is stating that further violations will be met with an immediate ban, escalating the usual process due to your edited comment's content.

Toxicate13Jan 2, 20201 votes

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I believe Ulanopo is stating that further violations will be met with an immediate ban, escalating the usual process due to your edited comment's content.

I've gotten like 20 punishments and no ban yet. If you're gonna go on a power trip at least do your job right lol

Smashed HashDec 30, 20191 votes

What kind of life lessons can we teach the mods if we cant argue with them?

SMH

Inkling CommandoDec 31, 20191 votes

if mods had their way i'm sure it would be.

G0blinSlay3rDec 31, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Three One Four,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4yEZIbdQ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-30T17:36:19.561+0000)

Arguing with mods is just toxic.

Leads to nowhere.

Many forums already ban arguing with mods on their public forums. This forum should do the same.

Complaints about the mods team should be forwarded somewhere else.

Arguing with mods in public creates a toxic environment.

Do I even need to say anything more?

The forum is very toxic atm with the complaints and the mods hatred. I've seen mods make really good threads but they get bombarded with down votes and brain dead arguments just because they are mods. Heck, I don't think mods should even disclose their name when they delete something or ban someone. I feel really bad for the mods.

We all think that is BS. We should have freedom with fair rules. So people don't run a dictatorship.