Not entirely sure why Aery still procs when you spellshield the ability

Hethalean·Oct 26, 2018·8 votes·6,930 views

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Elite4RunnerOct 26, 20185 votes

Because it is a separate effect. The spell you blocked did hit you, but the effect was negated by the spell shield.

RookPusherOct 26, 20186 votes

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Because it is a separate effect. The spell you blocked did hit you, but the effect was negated by the spell shield.

But it also defeats the purpose of the spellshield.

Silly NeekoOct 26, 20181 votes

-blocks nami bubble that would cause the death with spell shield- "why does it still hit with that 40 or 50 damage aery! That is so op!"

Just think. The ability has to hit for it to proc spell shield. If ability hits, aery procs. It is not "if spell does damage". Though honestly i feel that Thresh should not be able to hold onto someone who was black shielded by morgana.

Elite4RunnerOct 26, 20183 votes

No it doesn't. .. Spell shield blocks spell-effects like debuffs, crowd control, and damage that is applied as a result of the spell.

On the flip side, if a spell empowers a basic attack, the damage of the basic attack will still go through, but any added effects do not.

A spell shield is a non-health shield. It is a spell-effect shield, and when it absorbs a spell-effect, it is being damaged, .. YOU are being damaged.

Based on the description of Summon Aery, "Damaging an enemy champion signals Aery to dash to them, dealing xxx adaptive damage."

You were hit by a spell, your spell shield took damage by absorbing the spell effect, THEN Aery dashed to you and dealt damage.

Silly NeekoOct 26, 20181 votes

Honestly though, you might want to think up an explaination for why Nami can W a Sivir whos spell shielded, have it bounce and hit Nami for example, and then bounce and hit Sivir again. I say this because it might negate your thought process there.

Elite4RunnerOct 26, 20182 votes

No, it doesn't effect my explanation at all.

The spell shield absorbs the damage and the spell continues to function as normal.

HethaleanOct 26, 20181 votes

I think 'thought process' isn't great to apply to League of Legends. There are so many wacky things in this game. So many things that work one way with one thing but another way with a different thing. Like why don't you get Grasp procs go when Jax E is up (Does Aery still proc off of AA's on a Jax E??? Idk). It just says your next basic attack. Doesn't say anything about doing damage or hitting. It's one of those interactions that we've come to understand means 'Oh your basic attack has to hit' instead of what the thing describes. It would make sense that Nami W still goes because it's boucning around, and because something is blocked doesn't mean that it isn't bouncing off the shield.

Why are the keystones so inconsistent with how they apply? Why is Aery 'oh everything about what you did could be negated, but this still procs.' but Comet is linked to damage, and Grasp is linked to actually landing the basic attack. Will spellshield block Electrocute if you block the 3rd ability? I honestly don't know. It just says hitting a champion with 3 attacks or abilities. Nothing about damage.

HethaleanOct 26, 20182 votes

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Honestly though, you might want to think up an explaination for why Nami can W a Sivir whos spell shielded, have it bounce and hit Nami for example, and then bounce and hit Sivir again. I say this because it might negate your thought process there.

A question about Nami boucning that I feel could bear explanation from how you're thinking about it... Why do Brand R and Nami W (once locked onto you) still bounce if you Zhonya's? Doesn't it still hit then? Should it still hit you with Aery then?

wildfox9TOct 26, 20183 votes

spellshields cancel the ability that hit you,so you don't get hit

that's why effects like item 3285 , item 3151 ,comet and electrocute won't proc

for the same reason when you block Ahri E you won't get CC'd and the charm amp won't affect you

Elite4RunnerOct 26, 20183 votes

That is incorrect. The spell shield absorbs the spell effects. Echo is a spell effect. Torment is a spell effect. Charm, is a spell effect.

In the case of Nami's Ebb and Flow. The damage from a bounce is a spell effect. The bounce is not a spell effect, it is simply the mechanic of the spell.

wildfox9TOct 26, 20182 votes

assuming you are right,new dark harvest procs on damage too,yet it doesn't work if you got hit by an ability but you have a spellshield

because the spellshield absorbed it,not you it should be the same for aery,you hit a spellshield so why it procs on the champion?

edit 1: read spellshields tooltip,it literally say that they "block" the spell,so the spell shouldn't hit you

edit 2 : ahri's amp doesn't proc on damage,it procs when you hit someone

even if you are invunerable (eg. Taric ult) or have a magic shield on ( Morgana E) it procs anyway

Elite4RunnerOct 26, 20181 votes

The difference is in the coding.

The damage from new DH is added to the damage from the other ability, as if they are being applied simultaneously.

The damage from Aery is a separate ability that is triggered by the damage from the previous ability.

Look, I'm not doing the programming, .. that is just the way it is programmed.

wildfox9TOct 26, 20182 votes

that is just the way it is programmed.

how you can tell that?

btw read the edits

DeracadaVenomOct 26, 20181 votes

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Huh

Ulquiorra0123Oct 27, 20181 votes

Aery is not based on damage like most cases with spell procs are, Aery is simply done based on hit, which means if a spell targets you, it is guaranteed to proc regardless of spell negation or invulnerability. You can see this with hitting Kayle Ult with a spell, Aery will hit the target.

HethaleanOct 27, 20181 votes

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Aery is not based on damage like most cases with spell procs are, Aery is simply done based on hit, which means if a spell targets you, it is guaranteed to proc regardless of spell negation or invulnerability. You can see this with hitting Kayle Ult with a spell, Aery will hit the target.

Yes, but see some of my other comments about why things are so inconsistent. It also really feels like it defeats the purpose of a spellshield.

It'd be like electrocute / grasp still going off with just auto attacks against a Jax who is using E.