Bronze builds

Kapppaccino·Mar 16, 2015·4 votes·1,740 views

I'm sick of people complaining about champions being Op. Like the riven QQ thread. I'll tell you right now why champs are OP. Because you can't fucking stop building your damage item to by some resistances because for whatever reason your damage is always more important. "But I won't stand a chance if I build Amor and they build ad" It increases the amount of damage you can take! That DOES NOT mean you can duel them now. That means you play around that. It means call for ganks! It means sustain in lane and soak up xP.it means you have lane presence. Riven QQ thread inspired me to write this. People complain that riven is op. As a riven main I can say she is pretty strong, but 99% of the time my opponents keep building their Tiamat or Brutalizer when I already have 2 kills on them. The only thing that does is tickle me more when I go shit on you again for the third time. Then you're gonna go on board and cry to riot that riven is op. no kid. How about you start building resistances when you are behind and I guarantee you your games won't go as bad if you play around that. This isn't call of duty, kills aren't the point of the game. Be the tank your team needs (especially when behind) and play as a team and no champ will seem op to you. Edit: This isn't a thread to focus on riven -.- it's an example. Point of story, build resistances or keep dying

28 Comments

2000boxesMar 17, 20153 votes

hey stop playing the bronze stereotype im bronze and i build all my top laners as primary tanks most sions rush hydra not me i go straight for frozen heart my only damage item will be iceborn gauntlet and if i ever want to mess around i get frozen mallet

and now im climbing every weekend

KapppaccinoMar 17, 20151 votes

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hey stop playing the bronze stereotype im bronze and i build all my top laners as primary tanks most sions rush hydra not me i go straight for frozen heart my only damage item will be iceborn gauntlet and if i ever want to mess around i get frozen mallet

and now im climbing every weekend

its an expression. ive seen good bronzies...but even in high silver people rush the same build every game

QuantumLightMar 17, 20151 votes

you do know u just said he "destroy every riven i come across with irelia" then said how he did it?

this guy is in diamond.... im a lot more inclined to listen to him while you destroy your credibility.

UnSeenDeath88Mar 17, 20152 votes

I love playing panth against riven, assert dominance at level 1-2 before most get their shield, at that point they start playing passive. If I don't screw up and take a tower shot when I push to her tower, I can either get her to back or kill her. After that it's the same thing you said above she will continue to build her Hydra or Cleaver but I'm already 1-2 levels ahead so now she can't touch me, but she will try, I'll kill her and that just solidifies my lead against her.

KapppaccinoMar 18, 20151 votes

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I love playing panth against riven, assert dominance at level 1-2 before most get their shield, at that point they start playing passive. If I don't screw up and take a tower shot when I push to her tower, I can either get her to back or kill her. After that it's the same thing you said above she will continue to build her Hydra or Cleaver but I'm already 1-2 levels ahead so now she can't touch me, but she will try, I'll kill her and that just solidifies my lead against her.

And what do you do when you accidentally feed her first blood? ( for the sake of everyone here who claims she's op)

UnSeenDeath88Mar 18, 20152 votes

normally I just continue my build, but that's cause I know it's possible I can still get her, if not then I start building armor, or looking for other lanes to roam down to. Honestly even though I main panth I'm more inclined to just continue my build with him even when I'm behind, unlike when I get behind with Udyr jungle, then I'll skip the trinity until later and get my 2 defense items, and that's worked a few times. Maybe it's cause pantheon is worthless without the damage, and udyr can become a stun machine for his team.

Lack of wards, and some bad builds aside I think the worst part of bronze is people don't know how to play the passive game when they get behind. I had an Azir on my team yesterday he gave I swear 10 kills in lane, along with that our bot lane was feeding horribly but not as bad. This Azir ended 3/28/14, and our bot lane came back and our adc ended positive and support ended same assists as deaths. About 5 minutes in bot lane started arguing after giving kills I MUTED THEM AS EVERYBODY WHO READS THIS SHOULD! and continued focusing on my game. We could have won after holding off until 45 minutes, but they had 3 tanks and we didn't have enough peel or damage to get through them, the last fight under our nexus turrets we took out the carries but the tanks finished us off. Point being if people hadn't of fed so hard, went passive, farmed under turret, their we wouldn't have had to hold off for 40 minutes to the point where their tanks became unkillable.

Also Riven is not OP during the last month in all leagues she only has a 47.64 win percent, and a 48% in bronze in the same time. She doesn't even break the top 50 winningest champs in the last month.

DedriusMar 17, 20151 votes

The problem with Riven is that her cooldowns are always up and even at early levels you have a very small window of opportunity to trade with her without losing the trade. A good riven will not use abilities to farm and will usually win trades unless countered. Once she has 40% CDR her cooldowns are just stupid for a fighter class with assassin like damage.

I personally don't mind riven because I play irelia and its an easy matchup but I can understand the problem people have with her.

KapppaccinoMar 17, 20151 votes

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The problem with Riven is that her cooldowns are always up and even at early levels you have a very small window of opportunity to trade with her without losing the trade. A good riven will not use abilities to farm and will usually win trades unless countered. Once she has 40% CDR her cooldowns are just stupid for a fighter class with assassin like damage.

I personally don't mind riven because I play irelia and its an easy matchup but I can understand the problem people have with her.

doesnt change the fact that if you start cloth 5 pots, and stay on ur side of the lane she wont be able to kill you pre6.

DedriusMar 17, 20151 votes

Against a Riven who knows how to play she is strong at all points in the game and she has no real spot where she can be abused. She has so much engage/disengage and such low cooldowns she can basically dictate all parts of the game with not much trouble.

If she wants to fight pre-6, she can, if she wants to let you sit there and farm till 6, she can do that as well but the issue is that she can't really be pushed around due to her cooldowns.

KapppaccinoMar 17, 20151 votes

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Against a Riven who knows how to play she is strong at all points in the game and she has no real spot where she can be abused. She has so much engage/disengage and such low cooldowns she can basically dictate all parts of the game with not much trouble.

If she wants to fight pre-6, she can, if she wants to let you sit there and farm till 6, she can do that as well but the issue is that she can't really be pushed around due to her cooldowns.

same argument over and over again......ill tel u..as long as ur full health under tower with armor and hp, she cant kill u as long as u havent already fed her....and as long as ur in lane, she cant roam, or youll take her tower....lane presence and staying under tower is her weakness..if she roams, push and take towers....thats how it is. and low cooldown? if she has low cooldowns cus she took CDR glyphs, get ur mage to come blow her up..

QuantumLightMar 17, 20151 votes

wish i had a replay of a riven who played me top.... 5-2 coming out of lane, i was building defence items and sitting under turret all game. as azir. we won, but only because she had no idea what to do late game.

KapppaccinoMar 18, 20151 votes

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wish i had a replay of a riven who played me top.... 5-2 coming out of lane, i was building defence items and sitting under turret all game. as azir. we won, but only because she had no idea what to do late game.

What's your point? She too op for you or you don't see a problem?

DrakzulMar 18, 20151 votes

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same argument over and over again......ill tel u..as long as ur full health under tower with armor and hp, she cant kill u as long as u havent already fed her....and as long as ur in lane, she cant roam, or youll take her tower....lane presence and staying under tower is her weakness..if she roams, push and take towers....thats how it is. and low cooldown? if she has low cooldowns cus she took CDR glyphs, get ur mage to come blow her up..

I can't tell if your seriously trying to say Riven is balanced because she can't kill you if you play passive and don't interact with her at all. That's basically saying "no matter what Riven will win, however you can reduce how hard she wins by!" Lol I don't even care about Rivens balance of anything, but your logic is some fucked up shit lol.

KapppaccinoMar 18, 20151 votes

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I can't tell if your seriously trying to say Riven is balanced because she can't kill you if you play passive and don't interact with her at all. That's basically saying "no matter what Riven will win, however you can reduce how hard she wins by!" Lol I don't even care about Rivens balance of anything, but your logic is some fucked up shit lol.

Do you not listen? She's a snowball champ. If she already got a kill she has higher chances of getting more kills. I'm saying stop trying to fight her. Same as fiora,draven, Leblanc, etc. I'm not saying you can't beat her, I'm giving you advice on what to do once she's already fed -.-

OhOkYeaMar 17, 20151 votes

Because Riven is a champ that does ridiculous damage with ridiculous scaling, is ridiculously hard to kill, catch, or get away from yet doesn't require hardly any effort to accomplish these things.

KapppaccinoMar 17, 20152 votes

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Because Riven is a champ that does ridiculous damage with ridiculous scaling, is ridiculously hard to kill, catch, or get away from yet doesn't require hardly any effort to accomplish these things.

She's a snowball fighter duelist champ. Most top laners aren't good until level 6. Quit going with the rivens op hype train and actually learn who riven is. I guarantee if you try her, you'll get shit on. Once you master her, you'll clearly see her flaws. This applies to ALL CHAMPS. try them put yourself then counter them mechanic if that's what your heart desires ( despite items helping you -.- ) )

OhOkYeaMar 17, 20151 votes

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She's a snowball fighter duelist champ. Most top laners aren't good until level 6. Quit going with the rivens op hype train and actually learn who riven is. I guarantee if you try her, you'll get shit on. Once you master her, you'll clearly see her flaws. This applies to ALL CHAMPS. try them put yourself then counter them mechanic if that's what your heart desires ( despite items helping you -.- ) )

First time I played riven I got a penta kill and didn't die the entire game.

QuantumLightMar 17, 20152 votes

what, smurfing during freeweek?

OhOkYeaMar 18, 20151 votes

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what, smurfing during freeweek?

You act like it's hard. If you aren't getting at least a 4.0 k/d with riven, you must be bad.

KapppaccinoMar 18, 20151 votes

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You act like it's hard. If you aren't getting at least a 4.0 k/d with riven, you must be bad.

What's this? You say the exact same thing as me and try to argue with me instead of agreeing? And looking at your other comments, you tend to be negative when it comes to champion designs.

grimreefaMar 17, 20151 votes

want to see bronze 5-1 builds, plays, masteries, runes, and bans get streamed 247 with a radio and betting for the teams to win?

www.twitch.tv/saltyteemo

you are welcome.

enjoy!

Basically watch the stream, do the exact opposite of what these players do, and you will climb in no time.

skippersdMar 17, 20151 votes

Well then, why ppl hate riven:

Opressive early game. There are a few champs who have stronger lvl 2/3, but they usually lack 1v1 ult (ie panth, karma). or brutally fall of late game (ie garen)
Silly lvl 6. You managed to survive? Np riven gets +20% AD, and an execute
The snowball potential. If riven gets even a bit ahead in lane, she sh*ts on people.
Mobility. Lane bully is one thing, but riven with a bit of cdr means that you cannot hope to catch up to her
Late game. Unlike other irritating champs, riven is GOOD late game, even with just a decent farm.
AD shield. What you said. Ahead: Build AD. Behind: Build AD (couse E).

Rito moans that diana is unhealthy couse she can instagib you, and she has a targeted dash (= go in, do or die) Riven on the other hand, can EQ(3rd) in, AA + W + tiamat + AA + R, and kill you AND your two teammates. And she can bunny hop the hell away. But that's fair.

Make no mistake, i tend to destroy every riven i come across with irelia, but the fact remains that she is hard to balance properly.

About builds. I'll argue with you there. When you get killed, and already have an amp tome + blue for sheen, you should not just stop and say, let's build triforce whenever, I want a randuin first. Or heaven forbid a thornmail (especially against riven).

You want to alter your build to the most defensive possible (ruby crystal asap in triforce case), but not abadon it halfway throught.

KapppaccinoMar 17, 20151 votes

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Well then, why ppl hate riven:

Opressive early game. There are a few champs who have stronger lvl 2/3, but they usually lack 1v1 ult (ie panth, karma). or brutally fall of late game (ie garen)

Silly lvl 6. You managed to survive? Np riven gets +20% AD, and an execute

The snowball potential. If riven gets even a bit ahead in lane, she sh*ts on people.

Mobility. Lane bully is one thing, but riven with a bit of cdr means that you cannot hope to catch up to her

Late game. Unlike other irritating champs, riven is GOOD late game, even with just a decent farm.

AD shield. What you said. Ahead: Build AD. Behind: Build AD (couse E).

Rito moans that diana is unhealthy couse she can instagib you, and she has a targeted dash (= go in, do or die) Riven on the other hand, can EQ(3rd) in, AA + W + tiamat + AA + R, and kill you AND your two teammates. And she can bunny hop the hell away. But that's fair.

Make no mistake, i tend to destroy every riven i come across with irelia, but the fact remains that she is hard to balance properly.

About builds. I'll argue with you there. When you get killed, and already have an amp tome + blue for sheen, you should not just stop and say, let's build triforce whenever, I want a randuin first. Or heaven forbid a thornmail (especially against riven).

You want to alter your build to the most defensive possible (ruby crystal asap in triforce case), but not abadon it halfway throught.

Riven is like sejuani. She shits on melee top laners. Just like annie shits on assassins. She has that strength. Ranged top laners do well against riven if that will make you happy. Pick lissandra or gnar if you really don't know how to play against riven. Every character has its strengths. Top lane meta is what currently makes riven feel strong. Pick up tanks or ranged characters and there. That's an alternative to learning mechanics. And build, then that's your problem. If you badly want your damage item finished, go ahead but don't cry when riven kills you again for the 50th time.

skippersdMar 18, 20151 votes

I just love that you copy+pasted your '#3 it's stupid to hate riven' reasoning, without reading mine.

As i pointed out, Irelia beats riven, if you can play the matchup. If you are stupid, and start to fight a riven at lvl 3, then you lose ofc. If you get your triforce before you mess around, then you win. In that case riven has to play stupidly agressive early, and all you have to do is call your jungler to get the free kills.

As for annie, she beats squshy jumpy champs, such as zed or leblanc. Wanna guess who will get nerfed to hell?

What makes riven strong is the fact that she is perfect for soloQ. Lane bully with decent late game, good mobility, and snowbally. I don't dislike rivens whom i lane against. I dislike rivens who gets fed on my teammate, then destroys me.

KapppaccinoMar 18, 20151 votes

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I just love that you copy+pasted your '#3 it's stupid to hate riven' reasoning, without reading mine.

As i pointed out, Irelia beats riven, if you can play the matchup. If you are stupid, and start to fight a riven at lvl 3, then you lose ofc. If you get your triforce before you mess around, then you win. In that case riven has to play stupidly agressive early, and all you have to do is call your jungler to get the free kills.

As for annie, she beats squshy jumpy champs, such as zed or leblanc. Wanna guess who will get nerfed to hell?

What makes riven strong is the fact that she is perfect for soloQ. Lane bully with decent late game, good mobility, and snowbally. I don't dislike rivens whom i lane against. I dislike rivens who gets fed on my teammate, then destroys me.

Riven abuses uncoordinated play. She'll pick you off if you're alone. Just keep doing what you're doing but don't complain about champs. Any champ can get fed off other lanes. Ward and ping. And if they still get the kill, don't blame the champ, blame your team

skippersdMar 19, 20151 votes

There are many champs who abuse uncoordinated play. Riven is not one of them. Riven is great if you (the riven player) is better than your lane opponeit. Then you get a few kills, and start snowballing. Against a fed Riven, even the buddy system does not help, since she can 1v2 you, and hop away.

KapppaccinoMar 19, 20151 votes

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There are many champs who abuse uncoordinated play. Riven is not one of them. Riven is great if you (the riven player) is better than your lane opponeit. Then you get a few kills, and start snowballing. Against a fed Riven, even the buddy system does not help, since she can 1v2 you, and hop away.

Group as 5 then :p but I can tell you from experience I have most trouble as riven after laning phase when the enemy starts grouping and warding their jungle. You try to 1v1 and in seconds it turns into a 1v5.