Any tips for 1v2?

AmythestAce·Sep 17, 2015·1 votes·1,008 views

I don't know how many times I've had to out do 2 other players in the top lane. It's usually when the other team duo top, and you have jg that won't assist you. I'm not trying to complain about this, but I'd really love some tips about it. My main Top players are: Dr. Mundo and Jayce. If you've played them, would you happen to know what I'm talking about when you're having to battle two players? I usually do OK. I want to be able to do WELL. I have runes, and masteries set up for my level, and even wrote a sheet for Jayce's items. Even if you don't know about these particular champs, you may still have some advice. SO go ahead. :] Thanks for reading.

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Kei143Sep 17, 20153 votes

Have the mindset: If you can get CS, that is a privilege, but make sure you can CS
Don't die
Freeze near your tower
Ask for help, or get them to apply map pressure elsewhere
Get lots of sustain

AmythestAceSep 17, 20151 votes

Like the ideas. I always farm with my mains. They're perfect for farming creeps. Sustain, as in stuff? Or just energy pots?

In the case that jg doesn't help, are you screwed? or you just have to be good at holding them off? I'm usually not good at killing when there are two people to fight.

Kei143Sep 17, 20152 votes

No, the jungler typically won't help you unless you have a kit that can lock them in place and then follow up, otherwise its a waste of their time.

EDIT: If you can hold them off 1v2, then your team should be able to get alot of advantage elsewhere. ESP if you tell the jungler that you will be fine most the time.

When I mean farm, it means to get the gold from far away, but stay out of the enemy's dmg zone. If you are using Jayce, poking those minions are a good idea, but you want to make sure you aren't pushing your lane. There are lots of videos on youtube on how to freeze a lane, make sure you go check them out. Then you go into a custom game, set up 5 bots and you try 1v2ing them as practice. You want to try to keep the minions between your turret and the brush (assuming side lanes), but the turret is not hitting them. Even if they are being hit by the turret, make sure you know how to CS under turret. Again there are lots of videos on how to CS under turret. Go check those out too.

If the enemy is harassing you alot, it means the following:

you are pushing your lane too far
They have some awsome long range poke (e.g Velkoz / Lux / Nidalee / MF / Cait)
you aren't dodging those skill shots properly

in scenario 2 & 3, you can improve my playing better. But in the scenario that they know how to freeze and harass, you'll need to buy those potionss inorder get CS. Either that or forfeit the farm but still stay in range to get exp.

EDIT 2: You may need to get blue potions as well if you need mana to spam to get CS.

EDIT 3:

The most important thing is actually to not die. That comes before CSing. You know you will be behind already in CS, so don't also be behind in terms of exp and levels. You loose both exp, CS AND map pressure when you are dead (or rather, they don't need to pressure you anymore, so they can roam and cause a ruckus elsewhere.)

HEAljvLykdSep 17, 20153 votes

Don't try to cs unless under tower, always stay within exp range.

Nick ValentineSep 17, 20152 votes

You need to have very good ranged clear and good self peel. Innate sustain is also highly recommended.

Morgana Great ranged clear with W. Good self peel and impossible to dive (2v1 almost always will dive).

Chogath Decent ranged clear but massive CC and self heal during dives.

Lulu Very good self peel and exceptional ranged clear and poke. Lacks sustain/Mana issues.

Lissandra Undivable and some ranged clear ability.

Not recommended: Low range. Low aoe clear. Strong duel potential (they lack 2v1 potential early)

Nasus Aatrox Tryndamere Vayne Swain

Jayce and Mundo are both in the middle somewhere.

AmythestAceSep 17, 20151 votes

There's always no telling when there are duo tops though, and are all the champs you named at all top laners? so, would I have to play with those characters? I'm sort of glad they are at least in the middle somewhere.

Nick ValentineSep 17, 20152 votes

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There's always no telling when there are duo tops though, and are all the champs you named at all top laners? so, would I have to play with those characters? I'm sort of glad they are at least in the middle somewhere.

The idea is that the traditional top laner struggles 2v1. That is why you want to send someone more niche in their spot.

PapaGreg21Sep 17, 20152 votes

Usually you are not going to get the castor minions without getting poked badly so just leave them alone. Dont make your jungler come and help you. Let him get fat so that the other top laner that is not getting cs falls off hard. Also, it is ok if you lose turret because your team should make up for it with the jungler getting free reign of the whole map

AmythestAceSep 17, 20151 votes

That's some pretty good advice. Thankyou. As long as I can make sure he ganks them we're good?

PapaGreg21Sep 18, 20152 votes

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That's some pretty good advice. Thankyou. As long as I can make sure he ganks them we're good?

I play a lot of jungle and whenever this happens my top laner panics and tries to fight the other two or reaches too much for castor minions and takes heavy poke and we inevitably lose the game. It depends on the champions and the situation. If you are playing solo top and you are 20 percent health, I am not ganking for you as it will just make everything worse. If you are somebody like Mundo and I am Rammus and you are going against a darius and pantheon top, we are not going to win that trade even if you are full health so it would behoove me to hold tower instead of gank so you can go back when low health and then switch off again and let me pressure other lanes and jungle. However, you will reach 6 first so I would make sure to try to gank if I could when this happens to take advantage of that power spike.

If you watch TSM, people do this to Dyrus all the time. They try to starve him out of the game by bringing extra people top and making him wait at tower. It usually fails because his team takes advantage of other opportunities across the map and more than makes up for the top pressure. I don't ever remember a game where they kept trying to gank his lane for him. Unfortunately those guys train daily as a team and solo queue is not as coordinated.

AnomanderSep 17, 20152 votes

Play safe.

Try not to get poked down.

Farm from a distance.

Don't try trading.

Freeze lane right outside turret if possible.

Try chogath. He is a good 1v2 as he can ranged aoe farm and has sustain. Just get item 3010 early.

TouchpadExpertSep 18, 20152 votes

Here's a tip. Pick this guy: Easiest champion to 1v2 someone R Q W E Q. Done :)

But on a more serious note pick something that doesn't have a hard time farming under turret. Probably the best choices for farming under your own turret are Shen and Nasus. They both have sustain and Nasus scales very well into late game and Shen is the hardest person to dive under tower. And Shen runs on energy so he can outlast the other two guys as long as he plays safely. With some practice Trundle is a good choice for a 1v2 top lane match up. He's easier to set up ganks with due to his pillar but takes some practice to pull off properly. Urgot is another mentionable choice if you want something with range. His ultimate gives him resistances as well as suppresses the enemy so it deters them from diving you.

Mundo is actually kind of bad for farming under his own tower. His W has a nasty habit of pushing waves. You don't want that in a 1v2 situation. Jayce isn't too bad for CSing but he has no sustain.

Learn the ways of how to CS under tower: 2 hits from tower, 1 hit from you on melee minions means +21 gold. 1 hit from you, 1 hit from tower and 1 more hit from you on caster minions is +18 gold for you. Cannon minions have to much health for there to be a cookie cutter answer for always getting this.