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animation canceling tips anyone?

Hell Week··1 votes·453 views

So i decided it's time to master the art of animation cancel to improve my damage output. I want to master this mostly to main Riven for ranked matches. Any tips or advice that can be usefull will be highly appreciated! Even vids!

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Strat1 votes

It's not as complicated as it sounds. Watch/listen to your champion, when the damage applies issue another command immediately. Most of it is down to practice as eventually you can get the timing into your muscle memory allowing you to perform the animation cancelling instantly instead of reactively.

Animation cancelling won't get you out of low Elo though, just focus on learning the basics of the game at this stage. Getting good at animation cancelling is only relevant when you get to high Elo (above the people who don't know the basics of the game).

Hell Week1 votes

Im pretty sure i have it down but honestly i don't even know. I don't see the difference at all.. i know sounds odd lol. Another thing i need to learn about her is her wall hoping, if you can still do it.

Strat1 votes

Yep you can still wall hop, but once again you've got your priorities wrong. Pick the lowest apples on the tree first, that's how you get a lot of apples in a short time, you get what I'm saying? Practicing Riven animation cancelling is a lot of work for a relatively minor reward. Practice the game basics first and you'll find you dominate games a lot harder than you would if you were great at animation cancelling.

Edit: For example, the CSing difference between the average Silver player and the average Diamond player is equivalent to getting 4-5 kills in the first 20 minutes of the game, or rather, 1 extra kill every 4-5 minutes. Similarly, each death is equivalent to giving a 15-20 CS lead to the enemy. Taking an unfavourable trade might cost you a health potion, but it might cost him 5 CS in return. Lots of other things that build up leads way more effectively than animation cancelling.

Hell Week1 votes

That's very true, for some reason as Riven i end up getting less cs because i go very offensively with her... ends up getting me a kill most of the time so that ain't bad lol. I should focus on cs and poking at the same time. I got her animation canceling down, at least i know how to do it properly. And her wall hops are a little tricky, specially the advanced ones... you have to face and stand in the right position in order to execute them( good practice for when i decide to main Nid too ). Now knowing how to both, all i have to do is main her and i will eventually master both with experience. I wall hop looking like a crazy person instead of going around camps lol, just for the practice. And for animation canceling i do it on everything.

MrPerson101 votes

It's a great thing to learn, however if you're looking to progress in ranked this isn't your ideal start point. As was said, it's something you pick up over time and will be reactive at some point but there are much more fundamental parts of the game you should master long before animation canceling.

For example, do you understand how to treat every possible lane with Riven? Do you understand where her powerspikes come vs other lanes you're likely to face as counterpicks? Are you an effective proxy farmer? Do you understand acceptable gains and losses? When to splitpush? When you want to force a team fight and siege a lane? When is ideal to ward where?

All the little things like that add up.

Hell Week1 votes

of course im not going to go play ranked matches with riven, i mean i could but she's so squishy but if i get her animation canceling down chances of me surviving team fights are higher.

MrPerson101 votes

Nobody said don't play ranked with Riven, in fact throughout Season 4 I played her consistently in mid, top and jungle because she has an amazing kit.

Her squishiness is never a reason not to play. Ahri Cassiopeia Fiora Katarina Kayle MasterYi Nidalee Riven Shaco TwistedFate Veigar Yasuo Zed Zilean + every other assasin, marksman, and AP carry are common to find played in every tier of play, and more than effectively) Animation cancelling will have absolutely nothing to do with surviving team fights - that comes from learning her kit and knowing when you can and can't engage to maximize survival potential. Squishiness is also entirely relative to your build. Riven's also an extremely good splitpusher with her passive combined with her Q + Tiamat active, meaning you may not be in every single team fight.

Where I suggest you start learning: proper Creep score. As much as you may think it doesn't matter, it seriously does. It makes a MASSIVE difference. Let's assume you miss two minions per wave at 19g each (38g/30 seconds)- in the first 6 minutes of the actual laning phase, you've given up more than a kill worth of gold - most players in bronze-silver miss an average of 2-3 per wave, every wave. That's a massive gold difference.

Another place to start: Learning different lanes proper aggressors. Some lanes have rightful aggressors and pacifists, meaning the aggressor is going to walk all over you if you engage before you get your own powerspike. Example: J4 vs Riven - J4 has a level 2 powerspike and good kill potential, Riven's comes at 3. Your job as riven in this lane is to survive until 3 and punish him with your insane amount of CC and mobility along with your self-shield from E. Every lane has proper aggressors and pacifists, and you have to understand where you sit in every lane.

Another place, understanding how to win a lane before the second wave.

Another, understanding gold balance.

Another, getting used to proper warding patterns and map awareness (this is absolutely huge, I cannot stress this particular point enough) The average bronze player finds and clears 1 vision/"pink" ward throughout the game and 0 sight/yellow wards before they expire. In comparison, your pink ward in an average high Diamond match is expected to last less than 7 minutes, and your sight ward is expected to last less than it's full duration - that averages less than dragon respawn based on how often you lay a pink vs a sight ward.

Another great thing to learn, proxy farming.

Another absolutely massive one; decision making.

I could go on and on and on, but I won't. The point is, animation canceling is something that a lot of low-mid diamond level players are still mastering. It doesn't come easy and won't make a huge difference in your game, especially when playing a champ like Riven who is more reliant on her CDs than AAs in team fights (Before anyone pipes up with a "holier than thou" attitude; yes, I'm aware her AAs also play a big part in her potential due to her passive and basic trading technique, same with Darius)

Master the big bits, work toward the smaller ones. Invest some time into spectating some of the games on the home page, they're usually featuring high diamond/master/challenger level matches. Yes, it is an investment. It can show you some of the things you're doing wrong by watching someone else make the same or a similar mistake and having their opponent capitalize on it - that usually results in a death.

(On the note of death, try to get away from the notion that a death is only a lost trade/gain of 300g to an opponent - it'll help you stop making silly trades time and time again, ending up with feeding because it's so much more than just a 300g boost to the enemy laner.)

Hell Week1 votes

Now that i know how to wall hop most walls and know how to cancel animations a little, the longer i play her the better i will become at them, eventually master them while i keep learning everything about her.

Gunpoint1 votes

Your E can pretty much cancel any animation. Your third cast of Broken Wings can be used to cancel you're Windslash animation.

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