How do I deal with someone who stays behind minions?

Chewbakka·Jun 28, 2015·1 votes·1,017 views

I've seen this as early as Silver elo and I don't think I can move up if I cannot deal with this.

Specifically I came to realize I had trouble against this when I played Braum(Me) + Draven vs Caitlyn + Bard. Bard would just throw out his stun and it would hit through minions. Caitlyn had a higher autoattack range than Draven so he was being really passive. I tried to push in to land anything on Cait but I just got poked down. Apart from their Bard being a good player, Caitlyn staying behind minions was detrimental as well. Any tips? :)

Edit: I have seen the error of my ways and all of you lovely people have taught me a lot! <#

12 Comments

Mew Goes ADJun 28, 20152 votes

A farm lane is a farm lane.

If their Caitlyn just wants to stand behind minions and farm, then Draven can also stand behind minions and farm. You can just camp the bush and throw down if anything dangerous actually happens.

Draven scales better than Cait does with farm anyway.

TouchpadExpertJun 28, 20152 votes

Yup, that's the definition of a farm lane. The number one tool you need to utilize in this style of fighting is patience. But one ADC who thrives in this environment is MissFortune . And if you want supports who can poke from within a minion wave without damaging the wave are the following champions: Janna Nami Taric Sona . If you see any one the above listed champions you should expect them to play this way.

Now if you want to go on the offensive you have a very small window to do it in. You need to shove the minion wave at level 1. Usually after you kill about 7 minions you should hit level 2. You now have about 10-15 seconds to make a move on them. You have 4 abilities to their 2. Abuse this window.

SxliJun 28, 20151 votes

In that lane where theres nobody trying to kill, the best thing to do is to freeze lane near your tower so you dont get ganked, and just farm until mid/lategame.

Truly PridefulJun 28, 20151 votes

Just let Draven farm and try not to take too much harass. That lane has zero kill potential unless you guys get hit by a ton of poke. The only time I would bother being aggressive in that lane is if they get into a position where I could W hop to a minion right on them for a free Q. Outside of that just play defensive and let Draven scale harder than her and profit.

ChewbakkaJun 28, 20151 votes

Oh I guess it's my fault for losing lane then. I always tried to be aggressive and never considered something like a farm lane ;c

TouchpadExpertJun 28, 20153 votes

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Oh I guess it's my fault for losing lane then. I always tried to be aggressive and never considered something like a farm lane ;c

There's 3 styles of laning: Poke, kill & sustain. Every champion has 1 style they excel at and one that they are decent with. Like Draven for instance is a Kill/poke style ADC. He thrives on killing the other guy. You picked Braum who is a Sustain/kill laner. Bard is a sustain/poke laner and Caitlyn is a poke/kill laner. Now these 3 styles go kind of like rock, paper and scissors. Poke beats kill lanes, kill lanes beat sustain lanes and sustain lanes beat poke lanes. Caitlyn and Bard opted for a poke lane and they were smart for doing this. You guys tried to opt for a kill lane. Poke beats kill so you were playing into a deficit.

What you should have done in that scenario was to play behind the minions and try to shield Caitlyn's piltover punishers that she would toss out at Draven's catch locations. Her mana costs are higher than your shield anyway. You could have outsustained her manawise and when she ran out of mana is when you should have made a move on her. Chances are you weren't going to kill her with Bard laying down health relics for her behind the minion wave but you could possibly force her to back off and zone her out of the minion wave. That would have been your best bet with what you had there.

And lastly since Draven is a kill laner you want a kill lane support. Consider the following supports next time you have a Draven: Leona, Blitzcrank, Thresh, Morgana & Karma. The last 2 are more poke oriented but they still function great with Draven because their shields either make him immune to CC or give him a useful speed boost.

ChewbakkaJun 29, 20151 votes

Wow no wonder I'm silver :^) Thanks a lot! I will definitely test this out~

TouchpadExpertJun 30, 20151 votes

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Wow no wonder I'm silver :^) Thanks a lot! I will definitely test this out~

Yup, I got 3 years of experience under my belt. I had a lot of time to analyze my mistakes.

RandomoniumJun 30, 20151 votes

There's so much gold in this post you should consider making it a new thread. Would definitely help a lot of new players.

TouchpadExpertJun 30, 20151 votes

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There's so much gold in this post you should consider making it a new thread. Would definitely help a lot of new players.

Ok, I'll get around to it later on today.

GenuwhineJun 28, 20151 votes

move around it play angles and especially if they are silver players always be predicting the miss step because they WILL do it plenty amount of times.

George LSJun 28, 20151 votes

Constantly try to flank them using the bushes or just moving from the side of the minion wave , wait for gaps on the creep wave and quickly abuse them by landing skills shots through them, your opponent wont be able to react to targons shield minion execution followed by a relatively fast skill shot like braums q.