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Siyoth··2 votes·1,932 views

So, I have been hearing this argument alot, "I did most damage, I didnt lose the game." and I just wanted to settle the score. Just because you did the most damage, doesn't mean you helped at all. In fact anyone in any lane can pick an early game champ, go ham all game suiciding every minute just to do damage. Then since your team is so far behind you lose quick before anyone can get items and scale up. Just because you do most damage doesn't mean you played well.

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xDoubleFlashx3 votes

I agree completely! I also feel like sometimes there are people who I have seen make mad plays, baits, voluntarily die to enemies by distracting, etc. But these players sometimes have a bad score. I'd like to point out it's not always your score or damage, but what you do in the game to make you or your team win. :)

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

I love sacrificing myself to save a teammate :)

Supporting is the most fun role when you play like that.

xDoubleFlashx1 votes

I completely agree! I love playing Janna, she has so much potential to help your team in every way! :) I actually just started a blog on league, and my first article was about supporting, and I specifically went over Janna. :) You should check it out if you have time, let me know if you agree! https://leaguewithdoubleflash.wordpress.com/2015/02/20/supporting-in-solo-queue-janna-op/

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

Janna mains unite!

xDoubleFlashx1 votes

I honestly feel like if I played a 100 games in a row with Janna ranked I'd gain two ranks, lol but I don't have the balls to do it xD or the patience lol

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

Worked for me last season, though I only played something like 25 games.

TeemoJenkins2 votes

I had a 15/16/2 ADC argue the same thing the other day; I pointed his damage taken was higher than his damage dealt. He sent out a ton of damage because he kept getting caught out and dying, but taking one of them with them in the process...

The Chin1 votes

the data can also be skewed say if you're top lane, your against a tank and you harass them for the entire lane you can easily have the most damage dealt even if you do nothing in the mid/late game.

zane yalgir1 votes

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So, I have been hearing this argument alot, "I did most damage, I didnt lose the game." and I just wanted to settle the score. Just because you did the most damage, doesn't mean you helped at all. In fact anyone in any lane can pick an early game champ, go ham all game suiciding every minute just to do damage. Then since your team is so far behind you lose quick before anyone can get items and scale up. Just because you do most damage doesn't mean you played well.

when i have most damage and most turrets ya its not my fault we lost when my stats are so spiked and the rest of you are meh at best....

Ice Weasel X1 votes

[{quoted}](name=zane yalgir,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=cUkaQ6v4,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-02-20T23:19:07.196+0000)

when i have most damage and most turrets ya its not my fault we lost when my stats are so spiked and the rest of you are meh at best....

I've seen that said by an Ezreal who spent all game using his ult to steal farm from other lanes and never joining the teamfights. He splitpushed instead, so he had turrets. Know what the rest of the team had? A 4v5 and gold/gear disadvantage.

That is not how to carry a game.

zane yalgir1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ice Weasel X,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=cUkaQ6v4,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-02-20T23:25:31.319+0000)

I've seen that said by an Ezreal who spent all game using his ult to steal farm from other lanes and never joining the teamfights. He splitpushed instead, so he had turrets. Know what the rest of the team had? A 4v5 and gold/gear disadvantage.

That is not how to carry a game.

2x damge vs champions 2x the damage to creep dragons ect and most towers yes that is im the carry you guys threw you do know there's a stats screen right?

Ice Weasel X1 votes

[{quoted}](name=zane yalgir,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=cUkaQ6v4,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-02-20T23:29:31.116+0000)

2x damge vs champions 2x the damage to creep dragons ect and most towers yes that is im the carry you guys threw you do know there's a stats screen right?

He still had highest damage vs. champs because he was the highest level and best geared on the team. During laning phase, he forced teammates to lose gold and exp when he stole their farm, which translated into him winning his lane. When he was forced to fight while splitpushing because they chased him, he still managed to do some damage.

So again, doing most damage to champs is not a guarantee that you didn't contribute to a loss.

zane yalgir1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ice Weasel X,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=cUkaQ6v4,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2015-02-20T23:35:38.292+0000)

He still had highest damage vs. champs because he was the highest level and best geared on the team. During laning phase, he forced teammates to lose gold and exp when he stole their farm, which translated into him winning his lane. When he was forced to fight while splitpushing because they chased him, he still managed to do some damage.

So again, doing most damage to champs is not a guarantee that you didn't contribute to a loss.

so ya your not even reading what people are saying have fun with your circle jerk

Ice Weasel X1 votes

[{quoted}](name=zane yalgir,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=cUkaQ6v4,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2015-02-21T00:15:18.870+0000)

so ya your not even reading what people are saying have fun with your circle jerk

...says the guy who seems to think that I'm commenting on his game. If you can't clearly see why having most damage is not an infallible argument and that being the primary damage dealer means you had nothing to do with a loss, you're blind.

zane yalgir1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ice Weasel X,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=cUkaQ6v4,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-02-21T01:48:32.028+0000)

...says the guy who seems to think that I'm commenting on his game. If you can't clearly see why having most damage is not an infallible argument and that being the primary damage dealer means you had nothing to do with a loss, you're blind.

no you are seriously just not reading anything if i have double the damage "champion and overall" and the second most active on my team is half that. if i have the most turrets on top of the most damge then im the most active and you sloths where fast asleep thus we lost

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

This sort of thinking is a large part of the reason you were Bronze last season. There are 5 people on a team for a reason; you're not supposed to win the whole game by yourself. Fix your mindset and go for Gold!

zane yalgir1 votes

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This sort of thinking is a large part of the reason you were Bronze last season. There are 5 people on a team for a reason; you're not supposed to win the whole game by yourself. Fix your mindset and go for Gold!

no its not also its convenient how you removed the qoute to make replyig harder. i got sevral games one of which was a kog maw vs pre nerf fizz mid. 3 people" you do no damage you didn't deserve that penta"

i wish vayne had helped me more but 1v5 is to heavy and it was becuase three ass holes seriosly had a stick up there ass that is a direct qoute and that team is my average team and why im bronze still

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1707223761/211846831?tab=overview i went ahead and couted for you i had a

penta 16kill spree 71k champ vs champ damage 12 wards last hit 3 towers was there for most if not all

those three with near 28 assits.. i forced them to do the only thing they where willing to do becuase i was kog there was no reason to try the impossible and tank and kill a 1v4 with a none stop splitting vayne and those three never crossed the rived after the 30min mark in an hour game.

this team is my average team this is why im still bronze be cuase"you do no damage you didn't deserve that penta" second most damage was fizz at 52k damge......

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

[{quoted}](name=zane yalgir,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=cUkaQ6v4,comment-id=00020000000000010000,timestamp=2015-02-23T19:05:05.804+0000)

no its not also its convenient how you removed the qoute to make replyig harder. i got sevral games one of which was a kog maw vs pre nerf fizz mid. 3 people" you do no damage you didn't deserve that penta"

i wish vayne had helped me more but 1v5 is to heavy and it was becuase three ass holes seriosly had a stick up there ass that is a direct qoute and that team is my average team and why im bronze still

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1707223761/211846831?tab=overview i went ahead and couted for you i had a

penta 16kill spree 71k champ vs champ damage 12 wards last hit 3 towers was there for most if not all

those three with near 28 assits.. i forced them to do the only thing they where willing to do becuase i was kog there was no reason to try the impossible and tank and kill a 1v4 with a none stop splitting vayne and those three never crossed the rived after the 30min mark in an hour game.

this team is my average team this is why im still bronze be cuase"you do no damage you didn't deserve that penta" second most damage was fizz at 52k damge......

Sorry about the quote thing; I'm in Discussion View, and hitting Reply does not automatically generate a quote as it does in Chronological View. I deliberately included one in this reply.

Examining that game from a teamwide perspective, it appears that the biggest reason you lost is a lack of coordination. Right from champ select, it appears that 1 or more members of your team were very stubborn, refusing to pick champions that balanced out your overall team composition. That alone put you at an enormous disadvantage.

Something else worth noting: the entire enemy team built at least one armor item apiece. Even Jinx built a Randuin's. Your team contains 3 players that built only damage, leaving the tanking entirely up to Amumu and Blitz (who seem to have done a very good job of being durable). Your team's 3 marksmen did have fewer viable defensive item choices, though; the opposing team's balanced damage output would limit your options quite badly. Even so, it's still something to keep in mind.

The nail in the coffin, from my perspective, is wards. Somehow, despite being ahead by over 20k gold at one point, your team as a whole still placed 10 fewer wards than the opposing team. Your team placed an average of less than one ward per minute. 4 of your had a Warding Totem the entire game, and even in the worst-case scenario, this means each of you could have placed more than 20 wards each. Vayne and Jinx are the only two players in the game that used their trinkets consistently.

All of this is fine. It is no more and no less than what I would expect to see at this level of play. All that it shows is that you do in fact currently belong in Bronze, purely based on skill level. That's not a problem either. You'll improve with time, just like everybody else.

I have one final observation to make. Up until just now, I have examined the game only on the large scale, not pointing out anything you did in particular. One part of the game in particular sticks out to me; at 53 minutes, you gave up. You sold your entire build and bought a few AP items, along with Mejai's and Occult, went out and killed Jinx, then died to Fizz. While dead, you went and swapped your entire build again, this time for pure tank items. Then you died again, this time to Jinx, and once again sold your whole build, using the gold to buy half of an AD build back again. I'll say it again: You gave up on your team as a lost cause.

That sort of defeatist attitude, that right there, is why you are still in Bronze. You stopped trying before the Nexus had actually exploded. Perhaps your team had also given up, and that's not your fault. However, you can't use it as an excuse, either. You're responsible for your own behavior. You do not deserve to get out of Bronze until you can accept and admit your own mistakes, and prove that you are willing to learn from them.

Until you can learn to acknowledge your own mistakes, you do not have any grounds to complain about those of your team.

zane yalgir1 votes

so im face paling so hard right now trying to understand how utterly stupid you are and how on gods green earth your still saying waht your saying so ill try to be as careful as i can with my wording so god willing even an idiot like you will understand....

you said warding was our problem..... amumu 0 wards ashe 2 wards blitz 12 wards me kog 12 wards vayne 22 wards......

you claim an issue was tanking.... we had three adcs and after the 15 mins mark tell the 45 min mark we had complete controll.... how long do you actually beive it takes 1-3 adc to get one turret?

more kills more gold more damge and the team was extremely uncooperative...... like i dont understnad you at all my mind legit cant understand how you look at the stats and think that 20-30mins of complete control could be anything other then a throw.... just holy shit the mind rape with you idiots and you mental gymnastics

You gave up on your team as a lost cause.

no shit they where a lost cause if they weren't then why the fuck would i give up at the 45min mark that shit wasnt going to happen period by the 30 fucking min mark we had two fucking inhibtors and a 13k gold lead which for 15 fucking mins grew to a max of 20k gold those three players legit threw

and i qoute"you do no damge you didnt desever that penta....." blitz amumu ashe

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

You realize my goal here is not to insult you, right? I'm attempting to offer the benefit of my experience, based on the data I have access to. I do not doubt that your team performed very poorly; that's to be expected at that level, and it's not your fault in any way. My only real criticism is that you stopped trying to win before the game was completely over.

zane yalgir1 votes

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You realize my goal here is not to insult you, right? I'm attempting to offer the benefit of my experience, based on the data I have access to. I do not doubt that your team performed very poorly; that's to be expected at that level, and it's not your fault in any way. My only real criticism is that you stopped trying to win before the game was completely over.

no it was cmpletly over back then two players bad was uncarrieable and three told me the where throwing that's gg me and vayne tried but wasnt gnna happen its like a nasus game where we got three aces and becuase csing over wining is sooooooooo much better and that happened not once not twice but three fucking times we could ended but threw for cs and i think one dragon one of the three

there is no way in hell im bronze and these two games among others prove it http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1742172029/211846831?tab=overview lb was so good she made sure to tell me so...

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1741019111/211846831?tab=overview my 30 cs supp lb with two feeders and that dead weight ahri...... again three fucking total retards....

know the difference i made j4 abandon top i was kha vs gnar and i got first blood into a double even got the frist turret on my team but becuase mid jungle and my adc weren't any good i literally had no opening to help and sat at 11/5 for fucking ever and i had the most wards only short of thresh cuase of wardstone early for laning and thresh is my duo i know hes not bad

AwesomeChad1 votes

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So, I have been hearing this argument alot, "I did most damage, I didnt lose the game." and I just wanted to settle the score. Just because you did the most damage, doesn't mean you helped at all. In fact anyone in any lane can pick an early game champ, go ham all game suiciding every minute just to do damage. Then since your team is so far behind you lose quick before anyone can get items and scale up. Just because you do most damage doesn't mean you played well.

Thats not necessarily true. What you should be more concerned with is assists and kills because they don't tell you much about the players' contribution in teamfights or the game since ANYONE can kill steal or autoattack the dying enemy for an assist. On the other hand, total dmg dealt by each person to champions tells you more about the player's contribution in the game especially if he dealt way more dmg than the rest of your team did.

IcyPepper1 votes

KDA means shit if your nexus is destroyed.

Destaice1 votes

the only people who believe this are bad players, and bad players aren't going to listen to you

waste of a thread

warpenguin5551 votes

lol ikr

insaiyanbacca1 votes

yeah i like using stats such as damage delt to figure out how well my build did if it was meant for damage i should have quite a bit of damage if it was designed around healing i wanna see how much healing i did. i never understood the people that use damage to say they didnt lose

MrBiscuits123211 votes

I agree, I was about 6/0/2 as Veigar and had an ability power of 1000 and still lost due to lost top and bot lanes.

Earl Eulrich1 votes

most dmg to champions signifies a lot more than K/D/A though...

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