CS EVENLY, WIN LANE BY KILLING THEM.

JakeIsAFox·Jul 9, 2015·2 votes·1,588 views

I'm tired of these lame posts trying to tell you to cs better, yea the first 10 minutes are important if no one is fighting because YOU CAN'T KILL ANYONE, so what do you do instead? Farm it up! Tell me what the point of trying to farm an extra 20 cs is rather than trying to crush your lane? Yea, it's 1 more kill than them but guess what if your lane's even, IT'S EVEN: FIX IT. Here's why you end up with more cs, past the 5-10 minute mark: Fear, they fear you and will not dare to push past where their closest tower is (or was >:D); and if you're consistently pushed it means you want to get ganked and because you're so far ahead because they fear you, they try to help with that gank. Well guess what happens next: you double kill the enemy bot lane because counter ganks and cleaning up is better than diving them under tower, and enemy jungler (think sejuani pre-tankiness and dmg) runs away as if he just baited his bot lane into feeding... because he did. Crush your lane then crush the jungler, then crush them 5v5. Oh hey look i have 100 cs more than my laner and 10 kills up!

If you're not trying to kill your laner, are you even playing to win? Why not try to kill them? I mean think about it, do you know how easy it is to die because they decided to make a play before you did? "Welp now me and my support are dead varus/cait/ez is 4-0 and we're both sitting at 0-2 BUT I'M 40 CS AHEAD!!!" Too bad you fed them your lead >:)

DON'T PLAY PASSIVE, and don't fight them in large minion waves.

21 Comments

TelegraphiJul 9, 20153 votes

Or you just play off of their mistakes since its low elo and win without taking risks for easy wins? Can't always just play stupid aggressive there are alot of factors. Also its good if your team is even its easier to carry

JakeIsAFoxJul 9, 20151 votes

Uh it's hard when they pick hyperfarmers that just splitpush all game like yi, you can't stop them without sending 2-3 because of how far ahead in levels they are that's why games drag 50+ mins... just get all lanes pushing find out who's fed on your team kill 3/5 of them with 4 on your team alive, u can dive them at this point then finish the game....

TelegraphiJul 9, 20151 votes

if your elo the players will do the complete wrong thing they dont even know what a mini map is. You should be punishing things like yi's weak early game all game long. I just played against a master yi and katarina. the yi got fed i pooped on the kat. guess what? we still won because he went in like a dumb dumb got 0-1 kills died and we won the fights. If you are actually better you'll win mate. kinda why i went from silver 3 to silver 1 with gold 2 mmr today alone. Im playing at your elo its easy to just play off their mistakes

ShuffledPancakeJul 9, 20152 votes

Maybe in really low elo, playing passively is EXACTLY what you need to do.In what WORLD would you choose to fight an early game champ as a late game champ, why would you lose around 5 cs just to fight and maybe even lose.

JakeIsAFoxJul 9, 20151 votes

in low elo, games are decided early game :/ bronze games last 50 mins with scores of 50v90 because the 90 kill team doesn't know how to end, silver games end with around 15v20 about i guess? huge difference

ShuffledPancakeJul 9, 20152 votes

Eh no anything below silver 2 is the same length (I am bouncing back and forth)

JakeIsAFoxJul 9, 20151 votes

Oh, sorry then :(

ShuffledPancakeJul 9, 20151 votes

Dont be sorry i deserve it for being bad Kek

GundayMondayJul 9, 20152 votes

I get what you're saying, but you're missing the point a little. Let me explain how I see it.

Let's say you have two challenjour players that know how to play their champions perfectly. They have played out this specific lane matchup, and know the exact amount of damage they need to do to kill their opponent. One champion will always be a little (or a lot) stronger at different points in the game. Simple example, think about the Caitlyn vs Vayne ADC match up. One is a lot stronger in lane during the early levels than late game with 6 items, comparatively.

So why does this matter?

You farm patiently (and perfectly) until you know you can kill your opponent. And then you farm aggressively and dig them even deeper into a gold/experience deficit. But the waiting is the part I think the OP is missing. You can't always all in your lane opponent and win. Sometimes you need that window of opportunity to be there first.

The main issue most of those "farm better" threads are bringing up is that the vast majority of the playerbase doesn't farm well. There are 100 cs on the map by 10 mins. I had a guy in one of my games (normal game, not ranked) who had 160 cs, and 3 completed items by the end of a 48 minute game. That's horrible. These players are leaving a ton of gold on the map and making it harder for their team to win. Each creep gives ~20g. So 15 creeps is the same as a 300g kill. You can win lanes by out farming your opponent this way. You can win lanes by killing your opponent so they can't farm. You can do both and climb the ladder really fast.

Does that make sense? In your 4-0 vs 0-2 example. 4 kills is about 1200 gold. 40cs is about 800g. You're losing the lane by 400g there.

GundayMondayJul 9, 20152 votes

Reread the first post. Fear is a good point. If you condition your opponent to lose to you via your aggression, then that's amazing. Problem is, high level players will use that to bait you. OP still has good points.

JakeIsAFoxJul 9, 20151 votes

Off topic lol: pick singed at 30 mins run into their base from proxying top -> farm all 3 lanes, have them chase you, after killing everything head towards bot lane proxy that lane repeat :D (rylai's, merc treads, tear, and thornmail please)

GundayMondayJul 9, 20152 votes

A player after my own heart. <3

JakeIsAFoxJul 9, 20151 votes

Thank you for the comment :) yea i agree, focusing on the first 10 mins of laning phase and winning that sets you up for a great mid game and better teamfights compared to your laner if they're behind in gold from trying to always harass you. The problem comes in when you have another lane that's losing and their laner is so far ahead that one roam with the jungler instantly makes it a 2-3v4 since your laner who lost won't show up to help, in that case: what are you going to do with your gold lead if the one ganking has a bigger lead than you? Adc roles are iffy like that: in teamfights you're probably 1v1ing their most fed person whose diving and trying to kill let's say wukong, vi, reksai, irelia, fiora... then once they fail the dive your rip apart their team because essentially no one should be able to kill you standing behind your team trying to catch runners..

However if you're ahead in cs and kills when that fed person comes to even up the lane again, you can fight back rather than run away so that he'll think twice before trying that again...

JakeIsAFoxJul 9, 20151 votes

To add onto this: power farming usually begins after you get your waveclearing item: shiv, iceborn (for ez?), cait/graves dmg to oneshot creeps, This is post the 10 minute mark and only if you have the ability to push farther and beyond where their tower used to be and get away with not letting them push the same distance back. Phasewalker utility for mages is op for splitpushers.

Meta Not FoundJul 9, 20152 votes

I hate to say it... but this is why you're in silver.

There are a handful of champions that excel with a hyper aggressive laning play style (ie Renekton) but I guarantee you will NOT get out of your low elo with this mindset.

JakeIsAFoxJul 9, 20151 votes

I hate renektons lol he just asks to get camped first 10 minutes and afk's: "qq won lane jungler afk"

IssylJul 9, 20151 votes

I'm an Anivia main and I get shit for not having a whole lot of cs the first 15 minutes. I almost always crush my lane and when I say something like "cute counter pick bro" to Kassadins, LeBlancs, whatever assassins.

They usually reply with "Yeah too bad your farm sucked in the beginning"

Dude, I'm Anivia. I can farm easy as the game progresses I'll continue taking advantage early game by bullying my lane.

JakeIsAFoxJul 9, 20151 votes

Anivia is really op once you've farmed deathcap, usually 2 shot people with REQE (like 90% -> gone auto ignite). I usually beg for every blue and stay as long as possible to rush large rod then blasting wand

TelegraphiJul 9, 20153 votes

Wont work in higher elo you'll just get super out farmed be put behind and then their team will take advantage since you will never kill them anways.

JakeIsAFoxJul 9, 20151 votes

Agree