Beginner...16/7/15 lost a custom beginner bot game, why?

lindaLemon2018·Jul 26, 2015·1 votes·2,235 views

I've just started playing this game and am totally bad at this game. After like 2 weeks I can finally kill beginner bots more time than they kill me, so was considering to join PVP. However last night I lost a custom bot game which I could win when I was extremely bad and get killed like 1/7/2. T I'm really confused why I would lose a bot game when I tried so hard to kill the robots, and if I'm still too bad to join PVP.

I was playing Morgana mid and trying to push the lane, cleared all the turrets on my lane and my team robots came to push further. However unfortunately I died in a team fight. Then I went to the shop to buy sth. Then I saw that all team robots died. After 50 seconds of death timer, the enemies were already was our base, and inhibitor was destroyed. I am not good at team fight, especially when my team robots are not picking up low health enemies when my R failed to kill them. So...we lost.

Any know possible reason why we got pushed so fast? How to avoid this?? I know I'm a noob but I don't want to be a noob to bots.

BTW: my team: Morgana, Zigg, Zilean, Galio Other team: Sivir, Zyra, Galio, MasterYi, Ezreal We were all level 18 at the end of the game.

19 Comments

It Hertz When IPJul 26, 20151 votes

Can't load match history, so general questions: How well were you last-hitting minions, i.e. what was your gold income like? what were you building? Since it's Morgana, were you landing her Q reliably?

Basic level, those are the big ones. Morgana has an easy time last hitting minions with rank 2 W, so if you have the mana to spare then you can use that. Don't push the lane too far at first, as the towers can shred you if you're not careful. And keep an eye on your allies in lane, early game random chance/unfavorable matchups can lead to an ally bot getting behind. Be ready to roam a lot to hold all three lanes.

lindaLemon2018Jul 26, 20151 votes

I'm not super good at last-hitting minions, but I do W them when I have extra mana. When there's no other bots and I'm not using w, lat hit about 2/3, when there are others...haha. Should practice more.

My Q hits Galio(my lane opponent) 1/2 the time. (Almost 100% without minions, very low with lots of minions in front of me).

I guess I did not give as much attention to allies as I would in a coop game, since I think bots should "cancel out" each other". When their lanes are not pushed too hard on minimap, I just leave them alone. I just found that my teammates are extremely behind on gold. (14/15k)

Gold income 18k, minion hit 189 build: rod of ages, boots(latter upgrade to enchantment captain), void staff, twin shadows, Morellonomicon (also potion)

Which ability should I practice first? CS or landing Q? How do u think I can prevent bots getting low gold?

Linna ExcelJul 26, 20151 votes

Learning to last hit well is one of the most important and tedious things in the game. Start with just you in a custom game. You want to eventually get the a point where you can get about 30 or so at the 5 minute mark or 90+ after ten minutes. You can either do CS practice until the 5 minute mark or the 10 minute mark. However this is going to take a ton of time and practice.

Once you are happy with your CS, add a single intermediate bot and go into bot lane. Your goal is to CS well and trading back when you can (there's no minion who's low enough to CS). Don't worry about getting kills.

lindaLemon2018Jul 26, 20151 votes

Thanks a lot, I will try this.

BastionKrossJul 26, 20151 votes

Without actually seeing a replay, it's hard to give you specific tips on what you need work with. What I can say is that while any champion can completely dominate beginner bots, some have an easier time getting started snowballing than others. Garen Warwick Nunu Tryndamere Annie all have nice damage, simple mechanics, and aren't too expensive to buy with IP. If you find a champion who you do well with or like the playstyle of, go online and look at some guides for rune/mastery/item set advice. Even better, watch a couple youtube videos of people playing that champion; they might show you some combos or strategies that you want to try out.

Finally, try not to die. If you get low, go back to base and heal. Buy a item 2041 so you constantly have healing potions that get refilled when you go back. Consider grabbing a item 3026 later on if you find yourself dying in teamfights often. If you have the choice of dying for a kill or staying alive, play it safe.

Linna ExcelJul 26, 20151 votes

Focus objectives, inhibs > towers > dragons
Get CS. CS is your main paycheck in the game.
Bots can't always group up well or focus objectives, you are going to have to either force the lane after mid game or hold off the other team while your bots decide if they want to push another lane.
Bots are cowards, victory goes to the bold. So in short you can't trust them
Intermediate bots are better than beginning bots. If you are still learning and can't win, give yourself an advantage.
You need more practice. MOBAs aren't things you can learn in a day. Gotta learn the champs, what to get on them, and what to do in a game.
I'm guessing you are still using a lot of free champs. Try doing some Co-op vs AI games in order to get your first win of the day. With the IP you get from there, you can start buying champs that work for you.
Get a friend or two to help you out in the game.
There's a ton of good stuff on youtube if you want to learn.

https://www.youtube.com/user/luigidragon/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/foxdropLoL/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/gbay99/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/unswlolsoc/videos

lindaLemon2018Jul 27, 20151 votes

Thanks for your advice! Morgana is the only paid one I own. but I'm already level 8, and I really don't want to level up when my technique is so crappy. Then I'll never be able to enter PVP because of high level and low technique :( The videos are great! Thanks for the great resource!

Linna ExcelJul 27, 20151 votes

I wouldn't worry about a lack of skill ATM. I think custom bot games are fine to help out with some basics, but once you get those down, you need to get into real games sooner or later. The elo system helps make sure people of similar levels are balanced out. Just don't try jungle until level 30. You could try practicing in aram just to learn reacting, team fighting, how champs work, and such.

junglerboy16Jul 27, 20151 votes

your level doesn't effect how you get matched in PVP. When I first joined I was matched with level 30s right off the bat at level 5 because they were bad and I had played a little on my friends account before joining the game (and no it wasn't sharing an account everybody, he was showing me the game to see if I liked it).

The system LoL uses to match you with people is something called "MMR" or "Match Making Rating". when you just start playing PvP, you have no MMR, and then it determines how good you are by increasing or decreasing your MMR based on wins and losses and the MMR of the people you're matched with. level has nothing to do with matchmaking except that higher level players usually have higher MMR from winning more games.

You should do your best to level up as fast as possible, don't be afraid that your match making will get screwed up.

5000000000000000Jul 26, 20151 votes

I'm guessing you got fed, but not your allies. So once you died, your team lost a lot of power and got destroyed. Also, Sivir and master Yi are really good pushers. Your team had no AD, so your team probably had a hard time taking down towers.

lindaLemon2018Jul 27, 20151 votes

Yeah 2 of my allies died a lot. They destroyed towers faster than us. I guess should have fed my robots some kills on Sivir and master Yi.

AirSonanceJul 26, 20151 votes

A big thing with this game is that it is objective based, not a team deathmatch. You want towers, dragons, and inhibitors over kills. Yes, kill do matter, but only to an extent, so don't focus on just killing people.

lindaLemon2018Jul 26, 20151 votes

I know that it's important to kill dragons, but how do u kill dragon and at the same time make sure your lane is not destroyed?

AirSonanceJul 26, 20151 votes

That depends. If your lane opponent is still there, you really can't do much about it. If you're alone in lane and you know they're taking a Drag, clear the wave as fast as possible and get there to help contest it. Sometimes, however, there really isn't much you can do. If this is the case, let them take the dragon and try again later, as your turrets are a higher priority.

The WhamboozlerJul 27, 20151 votes

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I know that it's important to kill dragons, but how do u kill dragon and at the same time make sure your lane is not destroyed?

You have teammates. Unfortunately, you can't count on bot teammates for ANYTHING. Try playing Co-op vs AI with other players on your team. You will hit a hard cap on what you can learn in custom bots really fast. HELL, even Co-op vs AI is only really good for learning the basics of the game, figuring out new champions and avoiding smurfs.

That said, when you DO pvp prepare to lose a LOT at first. Not only is it a huge jump in things to worry about compared to bots but pv is full of smurfs who are playing on their lowered leveled accounts just to unfairly stomp new players. Just try to roll with the punches and you'll get the hang of it. Don't get discouraged.

FarRockBFJul 27, 20151 votes

Here is the golden rule of bots:

They REACT.

If you push each lane equally, they will maintain the 2-1-2 lane rotation. But if you take out say two turrets from one lane, they will send at least THREE bots to that lane to defend it. However; they don't just back down once it is defended, they STAY.

So now you have 3+ bots in one lane constantly auto-attacking minions...it will push pretty damn fast.

npbeisbolJul 28, 20151 votes

Sorry if someone already said this, i didnt read through it all...but I would suggest finding someone to play with who already has experience with the game. It helped me a lot at the beginning to have someone that could explain certain things to me as we played.

also watch guides about the champions you are playing so you understand what exactly they do. Good luck!

lindaLemon2018Jul 28, 20151 votes

Thanks! My friends are all level 30, and have a lot of wins, if we are on the same team I guess I would face very skilled people. then get reported for feeding. But they did explain things to me, which is nice.
Yep youtube videos are great, although most people play in the jungle instead of on lane?? Is there a time when everyone play in jungle instead of lane?

Valderis VandalaJul 31, 20151 votes

The most important thing to remember is to just not die, learn to avoid getting into fights you can't win, learn to stay out of situation you can't escape from.

Some roles are easier to play against bots then others, also keep the enemy team in mind when building your items.

Playing a tank and building lots of health/resist/armor is a very easy way to win your lane, dominate team fights, and protect your base against the bots. Sejuani is fun and easy to play as a tank.

Or you can try a ADC and build a ton of damage/attack speed/critical and completely destroy everything that dares to come close. Tristana is a lot of fun to play and very easy to win with against bots, its also easy to escape bad situation due to her jump and ult.

(I've had a game where I played a Tristana and build the following items: Phantom Dancer, Infinity Edge, Runaan's Hurricane and Blood Thirster . I could just camp at their nexus even with all towers still up and just farm penta's. I ended up with 49 kills that game, it was just silly. It won't always work, sometimes bots just get scared and all 5 will just refuse to leave the shop area just because you are standing there all alone. XD)

This is all stuff that works against bots, don't do these things against human players.

EDIT: You can also fuck around with the team compositions. Giving the enemy bots only champions that deal magic damage and then building a lot of resist items makes for a very easy game. The opposite also works give the enemy only champions that primarily deal normal damage and building armor items.

Or give them only champions of one type, like an all ADC composition, they will have a hard time getting enough gold to be meaningful in fights and will be easy to kill all game.

You can also give them champions with little or no CC making for far easier team fights later on.

You can also make things harder on yourself as well by giving your team a terrible composition and the enemy team a good one. The more weird stuff you try out the better a grasp of the game you'll get.

PS: Staying alive is important due to how bots reacts when they face a towers. Bots are very hesitant to walk in range of towers when a enemy champion is nearby, so if you can keep yourself from dieing then no mater how low your HP or your tower HP gets the dumb AI will most likely still back off even though you have no realistic way of defending it. This is also way it is important to focus on minions when defending, bots do not approach towers without minions. Having the Teleport summoner skill is also very useful so you can come to the aid of any tower at any time.