WHY AM I STILL IN BRONZE?? ADVICE? ANYBODY?

Grift98·Oct 20, 2015·1 votes·2,681 views

Sonnyjpup - North America - Summoner Lookup - LoLSkill

Can someone give me advice on why i'm still in bronze???

18 Comments

TeslynOct 20, 20155 votes

i have studied your match history and i have noticed that the enemy is killing your nexus before you are killing theirs.. I will do more research, but i am 75% sure that is the reason you are losing games.

LordGeovanniOct 20, 20151 votes

assumeing that his team doesnt just give up if he gives up anygames at all i would say that is his worst problem

Hinro HonatoOct 20, 20152 votes

Sure but odds are you aren't going to like it.

But before I do that I have a question. Is this your first season in ranked? the new op.gg layout is confusing to me so I don't know where to check if you played it last season x.x

If it's your first season then it's not too bad. I spent most of last season in b5/b4 before getting back to b1. Just hit level 30 so I jumped right into ranked. I was an idiot x.x You gotta practice more. Also most of your top champs are all late game. This is bronze buddy. A game can easily end by 20. If you can't reach the late game then you will never hit the power you champs need. try to learn more mid game and early game champions.

If it isn't your first season then well...you're bad. It's not an insult, it's a simple statement of facts. But you can improve. staying bad is completely up to you. pick a champion or two in every role and practice the everloving shit out of them. Go into draft pick and get as much practice in as you can during the off season/pre-season.If you want to climb then you are going to either have to practice or make a smurf.

The reason I say make a smurf is because your mmr is dead. You're going to have to play well above bronze if you want to climb. I lived in b5 for a long time and my mmr never dropped below 600 according to op.gg. you're in the low 400s. I can't even imagine what kind of games happen down there.

Now for the most important reason. You haven't said much so this could be wrong but the title gives me a pretty good clue. You tilt and you do it pretty hard. No one can help you here. You gotta fix that on your own. or get so amazing that you can solo carry every game. And to put that into prospective most golds and plats can't do it even against bronze and silver players.

Good luck to you.

down vote away.

Little Stick ManOct 20, 20152 votes

To get out of bronze all you need to do is set a cs goal for yourself, avoid dying pointlessly, ward, and dont chase into unwarded jungles. These are the things that had me in bronze for like a year before getting out

FarRockBFOct 20, 20151 votes

Add me. I'll play a game with you tonight. We can duo bot and I can give you tips.

alasarcherOct 20, 20151 votes

I see you play alot with teleport. How often do you use it to help your teammates? I mean u are not that bad, your cs is above bronze level, your scores are fine, you are warding more than 90% of bronze.

I never saw you play, but what i think is possibility, you dont use your advantage to group with your team, instead you try to get more kills ,resulting in a throw. Also you should really not do off meta things in ranked like AP Thresh, Lightning Shen,

MimyOct 20, 20151 votes

your cs is above bronze level,

I checked his match history to look at this to compare my CS rate but then I realized.. That's normal bronze CS...

I guess you may have been out of bronze a while but in my everyday matches, us bronzies tend to have 50 CS by 10 minutes in, and if not where doing poorly or behind. But for the most part most of us tend to have 50 at 10. (I check every game I play to compare CS and see if im behind my enemy laner and what I can do to get better)

the total least amount is having 100 CS by 30.. however if your just reaching 100 by 30.. that's sorta bad... people tend to have 150-200 by 30 minutes.

(I played my last game as kindred and I was crying about my CS... Kept getting poked out of lane, it was a bad game)

I have been seen some hard core bronze people who have done very well for both their team and in taking CS being fed and having nearly 300 CS by 30 minutes. It's rare in bronze but I have seen it. Idk if they were smurf or not but I remember trying hard to keep up with their numbers I was a little behind with around 280 CS however I do not recall how that game ended.

But ever sense then I realized I had full build simply mostly by CSing. Sense then I normally avoid fights unless I have to or if they're making a mistake.

Like bronzies tend to fight for too long.. and it's like "What are we team fighting for near a blue buff? we could be taking objectives and putting pressure on the map.."

I know team fighting is good sometimes and gives you an advantage if you get some people down but if your forget about objectives you can easily throw the game just because you were too caught up in getting more kills..

I need to learn to CS better with champions.. When you are first learning to CS as someone it's hard to get used to them.. Especially if they have a bit of lower AD then you're used to.

Fox Em AllOct 20, 20151 votes

the total least amount is having 100 CS by 30.. however if your just reaching 100 by 30.. that's sorta bad... people tend to have 150-200 by 30 minutes.

With the way I CS, I try not to worry about trying to beat the enemy laner, in most good games, I average around 60cs at 10mins, from there I make the decision to do 1 of two things: either, try and reach the 100 cs @ 15min goal OR push in the lane and try to take the enemy tower pre 15. The latter usually leads to a slightly lower CS @ 10 mins (around 85 @ 10mins), but is boosted by the tower gold.

A lot of what I see happen in bronze is someone farm really well in lane, then as soon as the tower drops (on either side) they tend to lose focus on CS'ing, had many a game where I have been behind in lane yet come out in front post laning phase by simply just picking up as much farm as possible from free lanes/jungle, in some cases doubling the enemy CS just because their farming routine dropped off (gaining say 40 cs bewteen the 15-30 min mark)

Clown ApocalypseOct 20, 20151 votes

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With the way I CS, I try not to worry about trying to beat the enemy laner, in most good games, I average around 60cs at 10mins, from there I make the decision to do 1 of two things: either, try and reach the 100 cs @ 15min goal OR push in the lane and try to take the enemy tower pre 15. The latter usually leads to a slightly lower CS @ 10 mins (around 85 @ 10mins), but is boosted by the tower gold.

A lot of what I see happen in bronze is someone farm really well in lane, then as soon as the tower drops (on either side) they tend to lose focus on CS'ing, had many a game where I have been behind in lane yet come out in front post laning phase by simply just picking up as much farm as possible from free lanes/jungle, in some cases doubling the enemy CS just because their farming routine dropped off (gaining say 40 cs bewteen the 15-30 min mark)

That's me....after I win lane and start roaming from top or where ever....farmin is almost an afterthought. I start focusing on teamfights and objectives. Once you group up and your adc is around getting the last hit on minions becomes problematic. Usually the only farm I get is when I have to go stop a lane that's pushing. Even when I have games with a great KDA and win...i'll look at my farm and it's pathetic. I will say this...I'm used to playing support majority of games and you don't get to farm, so you kind of have to make plays to get your gold as support. I think mid to late game for me that mentality kicks in and I just start focusing on warding and making plays. It's kind of hard to just stay in a lane and farm when you get teams that are so needy and refuse to play safe, so I usually just end up following the group so maybe we can catch them divided and collapse on someone.

It's just so hard to win with people on your team who die so much. It's hard to go from top lane and be like 3-0 and then go participate in teamfights when everyone on your team has died 3-4 times already. It pretty much negates any advantage you had from top lane. These are the situations I frequently find myself in that lead to losses. Just a lot of pointless deaths, usually at key moments of the game. RIght before a dragon fight, right before a baron fight. Repeatedly suiciding to take an inhib we've taken 3 or 4 times already when the death timers are like 45 seconds. Split pushing when you don't see a single enemy on the map. No wards.

Just makes me feel like....if i'm bronze and know these things, why don't they know these things? why isn't there somewhere lower for them to fall to? Seriously having like idunno 25% (pulled out of my ass) of the playerbase crammed into one ranking at the bottom creates serious fluctuations in the skill level and knowledge of the game your teammates have. Rank needs to be more like a bell curve where most people are somewhere in the middle and there are a few at the top and a few all the way at the bottom. Bronze should be for the people who die 15-20 times a game don't know how to itemize, don't listen to their team, and generally shouldn't even be playing anything other than a normal match. I'd settle for being high silver, but everytime I start approaching b1 I start playing against silvers while still having the same bronze players on my team who just don't get it. I've played like 900 ranked games this season and in my promos last night I get a guy who is 5 and 35 in ranked matches this season. And fed every game. We shouldn't even have been playing together. This happens to me pretty regularly.

I do consistently try to play better, I know I could be doing a lot of things better, but I also have friends who are gold and we often play together and I can't say they are any better than me. I carry them sometimes. I'm good enough to not be bronze I just can't climb. And the frustration of not being able to climb after playing 1000 games and doing well in most of them starts to drain the fun out of the game and probably makes my climb even worse. The guy above you said make a smurf so I can get my MMR higher but why should I have to do that? Why is a new account able to get a higher rank than an account I've played 5000 games on? They need to revamp their ranking system. I hope the ranked teambuilder comes out soon. That would solve a lot of problems with people just being stuck with stuff they aren't good at.

Fox Em AllOct 20, 20152 votes

I'd settle for being high silver, but everytime I start approaching b1 I start playing against silvers while still having the same bronze players on my team who just don't get it. I've played like 900 ranked games this season and in my promos last night I get a guy who is 5 and 35 in ranked matches this season. And fed every game. We shouldn't even have been playing together. This happens to me pretty regularly.

^This

I completely get where you are coming from with this. I have been B1 several times this season, currently sat in the lower third of B3. It honestly feels like everytime I reach B2 promos the games throws me in with afore mentioned types of players, now I'm not saying that every game is 100% someone elses fault, everyone has bad games for many varying reasons. What I do know is that a lot of the time I am either even or surpassing my lane opponent in CS (I main ADC, but also play top when that is unavailable, and I still farm pretty much the same where in the other lane.)

Grift98Oct 20, 20151 votes

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I see you play alot with teleport. How often do you use it to help your teammates? I mean u are not that bad, your cs is above bronze level, your scores are fine, you are warding more than 90% of bronze.

I never saw you play, but what i think is possibility, you dont use your advantage to group with your team, instead you try to get more kills ,resulting in a throw. Also you should really not do off meta things in ranked like AP Thresh, Lightning Shen,

I try to get my teams to group but they never listen to me

SadBoyRhymesOct 20, 20151 votes

Just do what I did, play Anivia. She's legit freelo

GrashnimOct 20, 20152 votes

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Just do what I did, play Anivia. She's legit freelo

At bronze, any champion you "master" is freelo.

Wolf QueenOct 20, 20151 votes

would be fun to go to b5 then carry out playing soraka adc xD

ImNLuvWitATeemoOct 20, 20151 votes

you die way too much, i'm guessing you stay in lane past when you should and end up getting ganked? (ex. you get a kill and are at half hp and attack turret instead of B when the minions reach it)

DeynaTaggerungOct 20, 20151 votes

If we still had carry.gg :'( I'd go through some specifics for you but instead let's talk about Bronze.

Bronze games are full of players who are missing some crucial piece of the League puzzle. Oftentimes this is CSing, warding, overaggression, an inability to group/take objectives(oh wait, that's silver too :O). I recommend playing more normals because your MMR there is probably a bit higher and more variable whereas it's hard to gain skill playing against people with the same or less skill than you. So you can work your way up in normals a bit and then when you go back to ranked your skill difference to others will be apparent(for me even a B2-3 skill level carried me up pretty noticeably) I recommend the youtube series leaguecraft 101. It's a little old and some of the specific champions he mention aren't as relevant but all the mechanics he talks about are still very important and I know that series helped me tremendously in getting out of Bronze.

Also don't ever give up on a game and try to encourage your team to do the same. Throws are so real in Bronze/silver it's funny. Keep looking for how you can come back in the game and help you team. Map awareness will also help you a lot in this because if you know where the enemies are you're less likely to die and could even get picks on targets out of position. Warding is important for this too, upgrade your yellow trinket as soon as it makes sense to (lvl 9-12), it doesn't matter what role you are (support with a sightstone then it's ok to go sweeper) just go for it and contribute to vision.

Don't forget after a fight to look for an objective and see if you team can take it. Just winning the fight and backing off is ok but if you can take a turret/dragon/baron/counter-jungle, something to get more income and deny the enemies you'll be so much better off.

Be willing to admit your mistakes and always try to learn, you have only room to improve from here so expect to gain something every game and you'll find value even in defeats.

Last of all remember that it's very possible for you to do it. I started out B5 last season with 0 LP and I was in much your position unable to really make it anywhere at first. I'm currently in S2 and I think I have a good chance of making Gold by the end of the season. Don't give up :)

463Oct 20, 20151 votes

Checked your OP.GG

Udyr is the only positive win rate you have and it's 61% for 23 which is above average.

Play more Udyr, duo queue with someone reliable. Try to keep the flaming down to a minimum.

I'm not gonna type a wall of text because I don't know your own personal mistakes. I see people offering all this advice, but it's so general and vague, it doesn't even pin point what's wrong for the OP.

But you seem to do well with Udyr, so play him for now, anything should be working in Bronze elo anyways.